On 08/03/2018 05:16 PM, Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > [ Dropping Helen's archives, as this mail is quite "meta" ] > > On Fri, Aug 03, 2018 at 01:45:48PM +0800, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote: >> Thanks Mattia for bringing your concerns (once more :-). Not everyone >> wants to publicly express their worries on particular nm processes, >> maybe to not to sound rude or offensive to our dear new applicants, who >> are obviously in a more 'vulnerable' position at the moment they express >> their wishes to be publicly recognized as (potential) Debian members. > > This is indeed one reason I'm doing it. I often pondered whether to do > it in public or in private, but turns out that most of the time is > indeed some misunderstanding, like in this case, so having everything in > public is IMHO a good thing. I agree, when discussions are public misunderstandings usually go away faster. > >> A few times I've also felt some discomfort with some applicantions, but >> due to some dificulty on chosing my words (in a non-native language) I >> decided just to let it go... > > Remember that in the nm.d.o website there is a field for comments, that > also let people leave confidential comments that are read only by FD. I > can't talk for everybody, but I at least would like to know if anybody > has concerns on a particular applicant. > I'm personally sad to admit that in past when I shared my concerns in > this mail list I felt mostly ignored, when all it would have takes were > some clarifications on the applications... > >> "...please tell something about yourself, how you came to Debian and Free >> Software, and why you want to volunteer your time. Please describe the >> contributions you have made to Debian, your primary areas of interest >> and any goals you wish to accomplish." > > Indeed one of the reason I couldn't understand this Helen's application > was because of her quite terse introduction... Sorry about that, I agree is was a short introduction, mostly because I assumed that the people reading it would be the people that are here in DebConf and know me, this was an assumption I shouldn't make, sorry about that. > >> For instance, here is a recent statement that I think has room for >> improvement: >> >> "As a member of DebConf18 orga team, I has seem Taowa working in Front >> Desk. Because of his hard work, people can get room key, dorm card, AC >> card without any problem. Also for local team, we can trust him to track >> all dorm card in wafer so that we don't lost any of them." >> >> Although I personally think Taowa has a great potential to become a >> valuable Debian member, I'd rather avoid an advocating text that only >> points his work on a particular Debconf. This has a great potential to >> create noise. > > I pretty much ignored such advocacy. Handing out keys is surely > respectable but hardly enough to be project members... > When the dd_nu concept was introduced one reason that was brought on the > table was to recognize people like the DebConf contributors that would > otherwise not be mentioned anywhere. With Taowa being a member of DC17 > and DC18 that was good enough for me to go ahead without much blinking. > As advocacies go, Holger's words were more "useful" than Hector's or > ChangZhuo's, despite not being formally sent through the website. > >> Regarding Helen's case, I've never worked directly with her, but I've >> seen that she has a long term involvement in Debian. I can atest her >> contributions on mentoring, helping with events, giving talks about >> Debian and I'm happy to have had here in DC18 very good references about >> her on the technical side as well. > > Worry not anymore, I'm not blocking her process! :) > My doubts about Helen dissipated, so I'm not concerned anymore. > Also, despite what some people seem to believe I didn't start this > discussion with the direct goal of blocking her (nor with any other > applicant in the past) but to rather understand better the situation> (OK, I did block Helen's DM application because that was totally odd for > me and didn't make sense, and indeed it was not the correct course of > action, as this discussion proved). > > Let me look for an AM now.... > Thank you :) Helen
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