On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 10:40:39AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 11:31:15PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > > >> Imagine that as a project member you are > >> a service provider. A service provider can do 10 things right and be rude > >> only once, and still a user will recall the negative experience. > > > Start by the people who are already a Debian developer and are even > > more rude than me. Or is it allowed to be offensive when you are a > > debian developer? Or do you have to agree with the person being rude > > before they can rude??? > > Curious defense. There are already rude people who are Debian > developers, therefore: 1) you don't believe you were wrong in the way > you handled the situation, and should not change your tone; No, I was merely trying to say this isn't a reason to not make me a Debian developer. > 2) no one > has any right to require you to behave in a manner befitting the > project before letting you in, because you have as much right to be a > Debian developer as the other gasbags that have already been allowed in. Yes, they can do that, but they should do with the other people first. > >> In any event, my opinion carries no more weight than any other Debian > >> developer (and less that many), so there's little point in you feeling > >> threatened. I'm simply stating, publicly, that I think it's important > >> that NM applicants exhibit the capacity for civil discourse on the lists, > >> and that a tendency to be abusive on the lists should be a factor in the > >> DAM's decision (which it may already be). > > > Then DAM has already failed with previous applicants. > > Jeroen, think about it. Flamewars follow you whenever you post. Even > if you do believe you're right in showering verbal abuse down on people > who don't meet your standards for "freeness", why would the DAM want to > give an account to someone who comes into such sharp conflict with such > a large segment of the Debian community? I never said this was right. > If you're unwilling to concede that there are times when zealotry is > contrary to the goals of Debian, and that the goals of Debian *should > take precedence* when you are acting as a member of this community, then > there will be DDs standing up to advocate against you so long as you > persist in applying. And enough developers to advocate for me and are a zealot themself. At least that was my impression when I speak with a lot of developers. Jeroen Dekkers -- Jabber supporter - http://www.jabber.org Jabber ID: jdekkers@jabber.org Debian GNU supporter - http://www.debian.org http://www.gnu.org IRC: jeroen@openprojects
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