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Re: sid: libc6-2.2.5-4 kills vmware workstation 3.0

On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 07:22:55AM -0700, tony mancill wrote:
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> > On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:47:42PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > > It's your own fault. You choosed to run non-free software, now you get
> > > the consequences. Debian doesn't support vmware, so go somewhere else
> > > with your vmware problems. (Debian does support plex86 and bochs, BTW)
> > >
> > > Jeroen Dekkers
> I find this attitude highly offensive and unconscionable, particularly
> coming from someone who is not even a developer (yet).  

I just tell him it's his own fault that he's having problems and I say
that there are other solutions, namely using free
software. Also, debian-devel is clearly the wrong list for the
problems he's having.

> Debian's focus
> *is* free software, but I don't believe that warrants a publicly
> antagonistic stance towards users of other types of software.

I just say that the problems he's experiencing is because the software
is non-free. I point him to free alternatives in Debian. What's wrong
with that?

> Computers are not philosophical weapons; they are tools, and as such they
> must exibit pragmatic value to at least some percentage of their
> users.

If you followed the thread you clearly saw that he was having
problems, the problems which are normal with non-free software. IMHO
having problems is far for pragmatic.

> Frequently, this utility comes via the use of programs that are not part
> of, nor will ever be part of Debian.  Discouraging those who have a need
> for such tools does nothing but harm Debian.  

On what do you base that?

> As a project member, it
> makes me embarassed to see this sort of reply to an honest technical
> question.

He asked something, I answered by saying what his actual problem
is. (That is, the software he is running is non-free.) Then I point to
a solution (Plex86 and bochs, which are free and in Debian). What's
wrong with such kind of reply?

> Personally, Jeroen's attitude makes me consider leaving the
> project and spending my cycles where I don't have to live in fear of being
> lynched by the fundamentalist Free Software Right every time I use my
> computer.

Why do you think people with other views are a problem? Don't you come
from a country where you have the freedom to say what you think? If
you do, do you always walk away when somebody says what he thinks?

Did also ever heard about ignoring/filtering the mails you don't like?

> Developers can advocate applicants, but I'm not familiar with a method to
> express reluctance concerning an applicant.  I'd like to request that the
> DAM to reconsider Jeroen Dekkers' application for new maintainership, and
> potentially place that application on hold for a period of time to further
> assess the signal-to-noise his membership represents to Debian.  I believe
> that his immaturity is detrimental to the project.

Because you don't think the same way I do?

Jeroen Dekkers
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