Re: task & skills
On Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 03:48:56AM +1100, Anand Kumria wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 09:08:42PM +0100, Lenart Janos wrote:
> Then you might not have misspelt my name.
Ooops. Really sorry for that, Kumria.
> Maybe. But you have not yet demonstrated that these applicants who have
> been approved recently are any worse or better than existing maintainers.
I am not talking about every applicant.
> Until you can provide something interesting (one or two cases aren't
> statistically significant) you are just hand-waving and expending a lot
> of hot-air.
Yes, I have to say that you have some true in that I am `expending a
lot of hot-air`. :-/ Anyway, I have a reason to. Just take a look at
the NM list page and the lintian permaintainer reports. It would
take me a lot's of time to analyze it in every NMs case, and I don't
want to write here just some names. The best is to see it for yourself:
pick an NM from the list, than see his lintian report. Repeat
this. (NMs without packages does not count) Then, try to pick some
non-NM reports. I know that non-NM has reports too, but some NM has
a very long listing, and I don't know how they have been accepted.
(Please, let me not to tell names, and don't want to hurt anyone.)
> > Our philosophy is 'help the applicants'.
> ' ... to help themselves'
I said this corresponding to the NM procedure.
> You aren't able to tell how esponsive a prospective maintainer is. Oly
> the frontdesk and DAM are (since they get more detailed reports).
What I can see is buggy packages. (There are good NMs too, but now, we
are talking about the 'bad' ones.)
> > spend time for applicants who don't read manuals, just ask. They should
> > be rejected after one or two questions. For example, that's trivial
> > that some of them can't even use gpg, don't know about lintian, etc.
> Eh? Perhaps the hungarian translation is better than the English one
> but I get plenty of question about GPG all the time.
Erm, did you meant the translation of the GPG's documentation or my
mail's translation? I answare both of them:
(gpg) I haven't read the Hungarian translation, I am not even sure it
(my mail) I don't know what don't you understand on my mail. Please ask
> Are you being sarcastic?
_NOT_ It was very serious. I really think it may help.
> The problems with that approach are many (see the earlier archives of
> this mailing list -- are they available at all?)> one obvious one is
> that the database of questions is finite and we will> soon have been
> with a list of all the questions and correct answers> selling them.
I don't think so that someone would publish the right answares. But
anyway this would be better than nothing. Not?
> No, those applicants who are unable to understand the output of lintian
> Any idiot can run a tool - not all of them can understand it.
I am sorry that some doesn't understand that. I am not telling to
ignore every question, but most of lintian output is very easy to
Please note, that I don't want bad to anyone. I just want Debian to
stay on top, and I think all of us want the same. I am writing down
what I think, what I see, my ideas just in Debian's interest. I don't
say I am right, but that's why we are discussing.
p.s: Sorry again for mispelling your name.