Re: impromptu IRC meeting
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Neil Jerram wrote:
> Is that a real problem, from a Debian point of view? Aren't we entering
> a phase of multiple display management choices anyway, with Wayland
> coming along? I would have thought that direct framebuffer access, with
> a complementary window management model, was an equally valid choice as
> using either X or Wayland.
For Debian thats fine, for me personally there are too many apps and
toolkits that don't support anything other than X11. GTK+ for instance
has dropped DirectFB support.
> Also note that QtMoko supports starting an X server temporarily to run X
> clients.
I'm glad that works now, the first time I tried it I didn't have any
luck. Unfortunately since the AUX button is broken on my gta02 I have
no way of exiting the app lauched. On the other phone running Debian
(Galaxy S) I have there is no "AUX" either. In the end it is a bit of
a kludge IMO.
> And also oFono. But there are many examples of similar duplication in
> Debian, so is that really a notable problem? Passing through a phase of
> (middleware) duplication can be a practical prequel to converging on a
> single solution.
It is only a problem if we want people to be able to use it on an
arbitrary device they happen to have available for installing Debian;
say an old device from a friend or their previous phone after
upgrading. I can understand continuing to use the QtMoko-specific
middleware for gta02 but for new devices it would be much better in
the long term to enhance the common middleware. FSO already supports
more devices, playing catch-up forever probably is not a good idea.
> Do you mean just because of drivers/changes not being mainlined, or are
> there other reasons?
The mainline issue, which isn't really different in any other distro/UI.
> I can't speak for Radek, the main upstream developer, but I'm a small
> part of upstream, and my view is that we still have too many functional
> issues to worry about to make Debianisation a priority ourselves. Also
> I'm not personally a DD or DM yet. But I believe that Debianisation
> would be a good long term structure for QtMoko; I am certainly not
> hostile to that.
Good to hear. No need to be a DD/DM to help get it into Debian and I
imagine you would some sponsors among the DDs who use QtMoko on their
gta02. QtMoko is already Debianised but the packaging is suboptimal
(installs in /opt for eg).
--
bye,
pabs
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