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Re: Help for asking upstreams about free licenses urgently needed (Was: Help: Seeking source code of guppy base caller)



I am willing to ask about guppy first, but what address could I use
best? And I'm afraid that I will not be that convincing, don't know the
exact use and needs for having guppy freed.

On 28-04-20 15:11, Andreas Tille wrote:
> Hi Ben,
>
> would you volunteer to contact the authors about this?
>
> Thanks a lot in advance
>
>       Andreas.
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 03:01:51PM +0200, Ben Tris wrote:
>> I was referring to the flappy license, that is mozilla like
>> maybe they are willing to change to MPL-2.0 that is GPL compatible
>> if that research only is a problem, but I think (guess) there are
>> enough escapes in the license.
>>
>> I still think there should be a confirmation
>> that guppy will not be available with a free software
>> license. Because I think it is developed with
>> contributions from the community.
>>
>> Otherwise it is indeed non-free.
>>
>> Based on the flappy license, should asked to release guppy with MPL-2.0?
>>
>> Someone mentioned chiron, maybe that is the only good alternative at
>> this moment?
>> (the Basecalling-comparison contains some additional advice on chiron
>> settings)
>>
>> On 28-04-20 10:11, Andreas Tille wrote:
>>> Hi Michael,
>>>
>>> thanks a lot for the links.  Any volunteer to start some discussion?
>>> As I said:  If we do not try nothing will change.  People with no
>>> technical skills could contribute by doing so to take some workload
>>> from packagers.
>>>
>>> I'll offer a $DRINK at next Debian Med sprint for every attempt to
>>> change a license. ;-)
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>>       Andreas.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 09:30:06AM +0200, Michael Crusoe wrote:
>>>> The guppy binary license is
>>>> https://nanoporetech.com/sites/default/files/s3/terms/Nanopore-product-terms-and-conditions-nov2018-v2.pdf
>>>> No source code is provided. No competitors of the company may use the
>>>> software. Must be for "research use only".
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/nanoporetech/flappie/blob/master/LICENCE.txt
>>>> "Oxford Nanopore Technologies, Ltd. Public License Version 1.0" is used to
>>>> license some of their "source available" software
>>>> Only permits "research purposes", violating DFSG guideline #6 "No
>>>> Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor"
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/haotianteng/Chiron/blob/master/LICENSE.md is the Mozilla
>>>> Public License and is DFSG compatible
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 6:40 PM Ben Tris <benattris@gezapig.nl> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry to pop in.
>>>>> I think this license should be reviewed,
>>>>> unless sure it is not a free license.
>>>>> To me it looks like a free software license.
>>>>> Although not understand most.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is making this license non-free?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 27-04-20 17:06, Jun Aruga wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:43 PM Andreas Tille <tille@debian.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi again,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this brings up again my point: We *really*, *really* should take the
>>>>>>> chance right now to ask upstreams for free licensing.  The time is good.
>>>>>>> We just need somebody who is really doing this.
>>>>>> For us, the free licensing is good. But for the company nanopore
>>>>>> technologies it is their core competency.
>>>>>> I am not sure we can make it happen, but it might be worth trying to ask.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 04:21:12PM +0200, Michael Crusoe wrote:
>>>>>>>> Extracting the linked deb, one finds a binary and a very restrictive
>>>>>>>> license. I do not believe that guppy source code is available nor it is
>>>>>>>> likely to become available any time soon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While some of their other basecallers have source code available, I
>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> not call the license OSS:
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/nanoporetech/flappie/blob/master/LICENCE.txt
>>>>>> I found guppy client software that might be an alternative to use
>>>>>> guppy's function.
>>>>>> https://github.com/nanoporetech/pyguppyclient
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As Michael mentioned, checking other basecallers for nanopore, then
>>>>>> communicating the nf-core/nanoseq project using the alternative base
>>>>>> caller optionally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I found an interesting document about the basecallers.
>>>>>> https://github.com/rrwick/Basecalling-comparison
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Performance of neural network basecalling tools for Oxford Nanopore
>>>>> sequencing
>>>>> https://genomebiology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13059-019-1727-y
>>>>>>> In this study, we tested four basecalling programs developed by ONT –
>>>>> Albacore, Guppy, Scrappie and Flappie
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> We also tested Chiron (https://github.com/haotianteng/Chiron), a
>>>>> third-party basecaller still under development that uses a deeper neural
>>>>> network than ONT’s basecallers [3].
>>>>>> The third party basecaller Chiron's license is Mozilla Public License,
>>>>> v. 2.0.
>>>>>> https://github.com/haotianteng/Chiron/blob/master/LICENSE.md
>>>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Michael R. Crusoe
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