Re: Help for asking upstreams about free licenses urgently needed (Was: Help: Seeking source code of guppy base caller)
Hi Michael,
thanks a lot for the links. Any volunteer to start some discussion?
As I said: If we do not try nothing will change. People with no
technical skills could contribute by doing so to take some workload
from packagers.
I'll offer a $DRINK at next Debian Med sprint for every attempt to
change a license. ;-)
Kind regards
Andreas.
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 09:30:06AM +0200, Michael Crusoe wrote:
> The guppy binary license is
> https://nanoporetech.com/sites/default/files/s3/terms/Nanopore-product-terms-and-conditions-nov2018-v2.pdf
> No source code is provided. No competitors of the company may use the
> software. Must be for "research use only".
>
> https://github.com/nanoporetech/flappie/blob/master/LICENCE.txt
> "Oxford Nanopore Technologies, Ltd. Public License Version 1.0" is used to
> license some of their "source available" software
> Only permits "research purposes", violating DFSG guideline #6 "No
> Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor"
>
> https://github.com/haotianteng/Chiron/blob/master/LICENSE.md is the Mozilla
> Public License and is DFSG compatible
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 6:40 PM Ben Tris <benattris@gezapig.nl> wrote:
>
> > Sorry to pop in.
> > I think this license should be reviewed,
> > unless sure it is not a free license.
> > To me it looks like a free software license.
> > Although not understand most.
> >
> > What is making this license non-free?
> >
> > On 27-04-20 17:06, Jun Aruga wrote:
> > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:43 PM Andreas Tille <tille@debian.org> wrote:
> > >> Hi again,
> > >>
> > >> this brings up again my point: We *really*, *really* should take the
> > >> chance right now to ask upstreams for free licensing. The time is good.
> > >> We just need somebody who is really doing this.
> > > For us, the free licensing is good. But for the company nanopore
> > > technologies it is their core competency.
> > > I am not sure we can make it happen, but it might be worth trying to ask.
> > >
> > >> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 04:21:12PM +0200, Michael Crusoe wrote:
> > >>> Extracting the linked deb, one finds a binary and a very restrictive
> > >>> license. I do not believe that guppy source code is available nor it is
> > >>> likely to become available any time soon.
> > >>>
> > >>> While some of their other basecallers have source code available, I
> > would
> > >>> not call the license OSS:
> > >>> https://github.com/nanoporetech/flappie/blob/master/LICENCE.txt
> > > I found guppy client software that might be an alternative to use
> > > guppy's function.
> > > https://github.com/nanoporetech/pyguppyclient
> > >
> > > As Michael mentioned, checking other basecallers for nanopore, then
> > > communicating the nf-core/nanoseq project using the alternative base
> > > caller optionally.
> > >
> > > I found an interesting document about the basecallers.
> > > https://github.com/rrwick/Basecalling-comparison
> > >
> > > Performance of neural network basecalling tools for Oxford Nanopore
> > sequencing
> > >
> > https://genomebiology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13059-019-1727-y
> > >
> > >> In this study, we tested four basecalling programs developed by ONT –
> > Albacore, Guppy, Scrappie and Flappie
> > >> ...
> > >> We also tested Chiron (https://github.com/haotianteng/Chiron), a
> > third-party basecaller still under development that uses a deeper neural
> > network than ONT’s basecallers [3].
> > > The third party basecaller Chiron's license is Mozilla Public License,
> > v. 2.0.
> > > https://github.com/haotianteng/Chiron/blob/master/LICENSE.md
> > >
> >
> >
>
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> Michael R. Crusoe
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