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Re: Greetings from beyond the south!

El Jueves 12 de Junio de 2003 12:58am, Gabriel Piñeiro escribió:
> My Friends:
> > Here are some Web-based packages using PHP that are on the list to be
> > evaluated for inclusion in Debian-Lex:
> I like the Mozart, as far as I couldn't check the source (I couldn't
> download a non corrupted file) But as far as I check in the online demo,
> it's very "adaptable" to a PostNuke CMS solution (see bellow)
> > I agree that since OpenOffice.org and Mozilla are cross-platform, and
> > since it is anticipated we will have a back-end database that is
> > accessible through ODBC on Windows, you can migrate people gradually off
> > Microsoft Windows by using dual-platform client-server applications.
> Well, my idea is to develope "something" based on PostNuke
> (www.postnuke.com). Why? Becouse the postnuke is EASY to manage n'install
> for "first timers"... and 4 us, there's a lot of stuff under GPL to fool
> arround n'adapt to our needs, jejeje! Now I'm seeing this "Mozart", I see
> that it could be adapted to fit in a PostNuke (php + mysql = a homerun! :-)
> Why? Simple, perhaps Postgre could be better as a db choice, but if the end
> user wants to hang the programm on line, a mysql hosting is cheaper and
> more usual to find as a "default" service than one with postgre. And after
> all, mysql is stable and could handle big ammount of data safely and it's
> also usable under Windows, so I think that for this reasons this db is the
> best choice we have, in order to help later the migration of the data to
> Linux. Whatever we do in Linux, I think that it must be also done in
> Windows (and this is the easiest way of developing something for that BIG
> segment). What do u think about?
> > I agree that we want to be able to make money out of Debian-Lex (either
> > by using it or as consultants installing and configuring it), however I
> What I thought is that the soft is GPL, but the added value online
> services, no (but we'll gonna charge a small fee: in the volume of
> customers is the biz, and not in a license: that's for free; even more,
> that way is the best way to combar "pirates": it's free, use it :-), and
> that each countries databases could be consulted by others chapters. And
> what's that "added value services" I'm talking about: simply, laws and
> cases, integrated throug a module in the system. I repeat, the day to day
> case management solution must be GPL, what u charge is access to that data
> (ok, some things, as the legal codes, could be at the users machines, so
> that way u win in speed, and in less frequent queries to your db ;-) U'll
> see, as much as I want to provide that service for free, it's impossible
> without any kind of funding: u must pay someone to do the data entry, the
> hosting and some minimum
> infrastructure, in order to compete with the big players. And if we all
> organize ourselves, we could each one of us organize in our countries a
> chapter, and then we could give reciprocal access to that data we develope
> in each chapter, so all the customers of this services could have access to
> laws and cases and, why not, legal articles about "stuff".
> > think it is important that the results of internationalisation and
> > localisation efforts are freely contributed back to the project.  If
> That's my objective here: develope something usefull, even if u don't have
> "local support": the user must use this everywhere, no matter what legal
> system they have. And if u think it, it's not "that" difficult (ok, it's
> difficult, but not that much)
> > someone wants to pay you to customise the software, try to convince them
> > to allow you to open source your work, as this benefits everyone.
> Well, we must not refuse those pennies, but what I want to do is something
> customizable 4 d user through some GUI (no "hard code" at all for the end
> user!). It will be DEFFINETLY hard to do, but I have the time, the age and
> the will to achieve such deal (and I'll deffinetly need help in order to
> "speed things up" :-)
> > Lots of ways, see our mailing list archives for some ideas.  Maybe you
> > could install the three packages mentioned above and work out whether
> > any of them are worth packaging (and translating), since I have only
> > briefly looked at them so far and I am a Perl person not a PHP person.
> Well, due I'm a php person, it seems that I'm going to translate this, at
> least, to spanish and portuguese (I also know german, but I'm not that much
> confident). I also could provide hosting and develope a website for the
> project (something neat in postnuke: powerful, fast n'easy to install! ;-)
> > I have been a bit snowed under during the last week but the first major
> > [ . . . ]
> Well, here I couldn't help that much, but count me in for the translations.
> > If anyone either doesn't understand (I know there are some
> > Debian-newbies on this list) or disagrees with or wants to help out with
> > the plan that I have outlined above, just say so.
> The plan seems to be good, but I think that we need something brand new,
> that allow us to do stuff in a single enviroment, becouse I know that the
> ones involved here could start using lots of different programms to do
> things, but I'm concerned about that fellows that doesn't have a clue about
> a computer, so they'll gonna see this, and they will be scared to death.
> Unfortunately, people see that the shiny objects are cooler than the useful
> ones (that means that perhaps the new shiny aqua effect on a XP or the
> myths about "u'll gonna die and drop death again" if u use Windows).
> Perhaps it will be cool to include a PostNuke, but "adapted" to our
> "special" needs.
> Also something for law students MUST be developed, so that way, when they
> (actually we ;-) became lawyers, they will continue "with the brand".
> Perhaps if we battle in this field we could obtain a bigger share segment
> of users. And how do we give publicity to this? Through the "open source
> movement", in each law collage must be one that digs this philosophy: well,
> that one could fix some posters of a possible LEGAL-LUG: we need some kind
> of organization, in order to achieve "bigger things" later.
> The fact of this concept I develope is that I'm very worried about the
> operatibility in several OS, so u can give the final user the CHOICE. And
> what better option than something "webased". Well, perhaps this is becouse
> my knowledge, that is restricted to "web related stuff", but I think that
> in a not-so-far future, most of the daily work must be handle through the
> internet. So if there's certaily a demand for something, we need to provide
> them the product. Also, most of the legal software's arround (at least the
> ones from here) are like "glorified MSAccess" with rigid structures (and of
> course, with NO ACCESS to the sources) But now even the most stupid squid
> in the sea uses the net, so there's a segment something.
> Therefore, as far as I don't use use Windows, I'm worried about the 98% of
> the market. Let's face that most "as if" solutions are developed to the
> small-medium sized fellows; and that the big players develope their own
> stuff. And as far as I don't have any number, I convinced that most lawyers
> in the first segment have a MSFT OS on their PC's in most of the cases.
> They are attached to their soft, and if we don't do something that through
> an easy GUI they could change (i.e. they could change the ammount of time
> that some paper's preclution have due a new legislation; or allowing that
> any dude that cames from a country without "procedures reminders support"
> could add these "proceses" reminders in a snap) So this way, u could offer
> a "vision" of what they are loosing if they don't use Linux... and in this
> point the Debian-Lex distro appears with all the flashy things that we know
> that Linux could do. We need A LOT of screencaptures, so people could see
> BEYOND the letters that a techie could type the "POWER". Well, I could do a
> neat website, and try to work out some translations. Well, I think this is
> enough for now :) Cheers, Gabriel.
> Ps: Could u attach or let me know "somewhere" to find an installable
> version of the Mozart, becouse I only could use the online one, I have
> "issues" with the sourceforge packages (for the first time!)

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