Re: Debian on Slow laptops. What setup is best?
On Wednesday 22 June 2005 11:36, you wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Jun 2005, Benedek Frank wrote:
> > Hi. Can you check to see if I use something really that I shouldnt use at
> > all?
> >
> > THanks, and the RES column is that shows the "m" after numbers. Maybe
> > stands for for MB?
>
> Yes it does. Also, if you don't already know, the first memory column is
> the total memory usage of a program, some of which may be swapped out, the
> second memory column is the total currently in core, and the third is the
> amount that is shared between programs that use the same set of libraries
> (or simply two forked copies of the same program).
>
> > 22318 root 15 0 43904 32m 5732 S 3.6 13.9 23:48.20 X
> > 3814 ben 16 0 48816 31m 21m S 0.0 13.3 2:15.27 kmail
> > 4052 ben 16 0 81496 22m 17m R 0.0 9.5 0:17.64 kopete
> > 2152 ben 15 0 27776 15m 11m S 0.0 6.5 0:20.47 kmix
> > 30692 ben 15 0 32636 14m 12m S 0.0 6.3 0:22.40 knotify
> > 4037 ben 15 0 30020 12m 7832 S 24.8 5.3 0:32.65
> > gnome-terminal 22347 ben 15 0 17792 12m 7272 S 0.0 5.3
> > 1:13.85 xfce-mcs-manage 30686 ben 16 0 26556 11m 9.8m S 0.0
> > 5.0 0:08.34 kded 3850 ben 16 0 25080 10m 8700 S 0.0 4.3
> > 0:00.20 kio_file 4140 ben 15 0 49728 10m 8696 S 0.0 4.3
> > 0:00.39 kio_pop3 4142 ben 15 0 49728 10m 8696 S 0.0 4.3
> > 0:00.29 kio_pop3 22338 ben 15 0 15556 9m 6716 S 0.0 4.2
> > 1:32.69 xfce4-panel 30684 ben 16 0 24764 9996 8548 S 0.0 4.2
> > 0:02.08 klauncher 30679 ben 17 0 23464 9588 8004 S 0.0 4.0
> > 0:02.13 kdeinit 24336 ben 15 0 24424 8972 5740 S 3.0 3.7
> > 8:43.92 gkrellm 30682 ben 16 0 22788 8792 7716 S 0.0 3.7
> > 0:01.60
>
> Gah! And this is why you don't use kde. 32-12m=20m (32m in use total, of
> which 14m is swapped in, and 12m is able to be shared amongst other
> bloated kde apps) just for a mixer? And if the mixer happens to be the
> only kde app you were using (yes this happens - I once ran xwrits to get
> me to stop typing too much, and then promptly blew it away when it wanted
> to drag in 30m worth of libraries, just to set up a timer and
> keyboard/mouse monitor - how fscked is that?), then you can count the full
> 32m to it. What does it do? Emulate emacs whilst brewing the coffee?
I have realized that. I blew it away already. I will set up Sonypid which can
enable Volume controlls to speial keys, so I dont need kmix anymore. (I guess
this is how a newbie learns).
>
> Use xterm instead of gnome-terminal:
>
> 1410 tconnors 15 0 4060 4060 2192 S 0.0 0.4 0:44 xterm
>
> Yes, a terminal emulator doesn't *need* 30m just to freaking run. Yikes!
Good call, I will look into getting a smaller terminal.
>
> As much as I hate pine (I'd hate kmail worse), it only needs:
> 5065 tconnors 15 0 3736 3736 2272 S 0.2 0.4 0:00 pine
>
> All those other k* programs are just useless helper apps to kde. Blow kde
> away, and that'll free up a bit.
I have realized that. Actually, having the machine rebootet, with KDM and KDE
taken out of auto-start, I got a much prettier picture, and a responsive
system. ALready half-success. When I dont start this kmail prog, I have 140MB
free mem. Yes, more than half of what I have. Firefox eats up 20 or so. I
still have 120 left. At that point, I start Kmail, and slowly, about one
minute it starts, and I will have 20 MB left. So it eats 100MB or RAM. That
is weird. One weird program. It starts all these programs with it
kmail 30MB
knotify 14MB
kded 11MB
kio_pop3 (as many times as many POP3 accounts I have-each uses 10MB)
klauncher 10MB
kdeinit 9.5MB
This is unacceptable. I am looking for a NEW email client. I like a GUI email
client, that has features such as putting emails to the folders I want them
to go (filtering) and has support for more than one POP account. Any takers
on this? Will pine do this for me? Can it use the maildir format?
>
>
> Seriously, get rid of the kde and gnome crap. You don't need it. It
> won't make your life any happier. And then you will look at the dribbling
> fools who keep on drooling over the eye-candy, and laugh at their constant
> need to upgrade to the latest hardware that only makes their room hotter
> (and fucks up the environment for the rest of us). And you won't need to
> upgrade your computer, because when it is not running crufty bloated
> crapware, it's plenty fast enough.
>
How can I get rid of KDE and Gnome? apt-get uninstall kde gnome ??
> Oh, and encourage your favourite hacker to emphasise code quality and
> optimisation before useless feaping creaturism.
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