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Re: Laptop email

Adam, the thing I described works flawlessly here. Personally I don't
use Netscape (I use GNUs) but my family does. I wanted a possibility
to check all (every user's) mail at once and automatically when our
common machine goes online, and it works. 

The recent fetchmail gets unseen msgs only, unless you specify -a
(all msgs, seen or not). 

Note that I said (or meant) in my original posting I have turned off
automatic retrieval in Netscape. If you combine Netscape and Xbiff or
anything else that tells you new mail has arrived and have a little
discipline, you will be able to avoid most Netscape crashes if I got
you right: just don't hit the "Get msg"-button if there's no new
mail. This is no work-around for the usual hangs when Netscape expects
to be online in order to display any non-local Browser Start page. Try
"Browser starts with: Blank page". 

As for the performance argument, Netscape seems to retrieve msgs
very very fast indeed.

You don't need "Send later" any more and I don't know what happens if
you use it. I suspect some Netscape thing will be done that should be
avoided if you ever want your msg to get delivered to anybody
;). "Send" does what you want: queue into exim.


Adam C Powell IV <hazelsct@mit.edu> writes:

> Andre Berger wrote:
> > Cory Snavely <csnavely@umich.edu> writes:
> >
> > > This is the *exact* same problem I have. One possible solution I've been
> > > kicking around is to set up a low-end server at home with imapd and
> > > Apache with mod_roaming (for the address books, etc.)
> > >
> > > That's a lot of work. To confess, though, I thought it might be fun 8)
> > > and good practice.
> > >
> > > My biggest complaint, though, is that the potato Netscape doesn't seem
> > > to have the same "offline reading" capability as the Windows 98 one.
> > > Does anybody know about that (why that feature doesn't seem present)?
> >
> > You just have to use it ;)
> It's not *quite* this simple.  Unix Netscape (incl. Linux) assumes a persistent net
> connection, so it doesn't even have the "go offline" option of the Windows and Mac
> versions.  I guess the assumption (5-6 years ago) was that nobody would dream of
> using Unix on a laptop, or (heaven forbid) a home machine.  Hopefully Mozilla will
> remedy this.
> I've found even if I turn off auto message retrieval on Netscape, it still tries to
> do it sometimes when switching folders (!!), and if I've done
> "/etc/init.d/networking stop" then Netscape hangs.  (If I leave networking "running"
> while disconnected, it just times out after a couple of seconds with "no route to
> host".)
> My laptop has an ethernet card problem such that when I suspend/resume, I have to
> remove and reinstall the driver module, which means /etc/init.d/networking stop and
> start have to surround rmmod and modprobe.  I put this in /etc/apm/resume.d/
> Browsing behaves similarly to fetching mail: if networking is down, it hangs,
> otherwise times out and displays the version in cache.  To browse the cache, there's
> always "about:cache", but it includes all files of all types in a big list which is
> annoying to look through.  (Anyone know of a way to get just a list of HTML page
> titles?)
> > I have exim to send mail from and fetchmail to download mail to my
> > potato box.
> This is cool, but (last time I tried it a year ago) fetchmail's POP capabilities
> were not quite as advanced as Netscape's.  For example, you could leave mail on the
> server, but next time you went to fetch it, it would get everything there, including
> what you left on the server before, so you'd get multiple copies of what was left
> before.  Netscape doesn't have this problem, but then it isn't a problem if you
> don't leave mail on the server. :-)
> Also, Netscape seemed to get messages from the POP server about twice as fast as
> fetchmail, over a 56K modem.  These fetchmail problems may or may not still be
> there.
> Of course, using movemail solves the above problem (of hanging when Netscape tries
> to get new mail). :-)
> > Add shell scripts to /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ that send and receive
> > mail automatically as soon as you go online.
> That's pretty cool, thanks for that tip!  I'll use that at home.  Now if only my
> laptop had a modem... :-)
> > If you want to send mail,
> > always use the "Send" btn (not "Send later"). This will add the
> > msg to the exim queue.
> Are there any disadvantages to "Send later" aside from not automatically sending it
> from the /etc/ppp/ip-up.d script (which only works for PPP users)?
> Thanks again,
> -Adam P.
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Andre Berger <andre.berger@topmail.de> from Bonn, Germany

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