Re: [debian-knoppix] Why so much swap with knx-install?
Am Montag, 27. Januar 2003 07:33 schrieb Gilles Pelletier:
> I'm very happy to learn it. Had I known better about Debian, I would have
> found it in no time at all. But I had already been through this horrible
> install script(1) . So, for stupid newbies like me, it would be a nice to
> leave the Kppp configuration option in the menu.
>
> (1) This is not only my opinion, but that of many reviewers on the net. So
> please refrain from telling me how easy it is. Flying a 747 is very easy
> once you've RTFM.
Many opinions also suggested that Win95 is superior to Linux at the time. Just
because it's the majority, doesn't mean it's right :)
Admittingly the Debian installer is a bit old, but then you don't have to use
it.
>
> Saying "Well, it's included" is a typical exemple of an organisation going
> berserk. No individual half in his right mind would do something like this.
> No other distro I've tried has done this... save Debian.
Well, most distro's will not install kppp if you do not check the right
checkbox on installation. It's rather just a question of defaults ;)
>
> > > I'm sure you couldn't care less and that Debian would do great even if
> > > no newbie ever came to use it.
> >
> > Well, admittingly Debian is rather on the Power-user (admin) side of
> > things. If you try to please the statistical mainstream you get something
> > that pleases nobody :)
>
> You mean power users would mind if Kppp had been left in the menu... or
> other things like that? There's something in this reasonning I don't quite
> get and I'd be very grateful if you wouldN'T explain.
Well, a poweruser would probably mind to have non-needed software on the box.
> > It's not about security "safety". It's about configuration "safety".
> > Debian Woody is extremely conservative in packages updates. This has good
> > sides, like having a stable environement. And this is bad, because you
> > are left out of the exciting new features (and bugs). That's why there is
> > something like "testing" and "unstable" in Debian.
>
> In the Potato times, some young men here, in Montreal, tried to install
> Woody before it was deemed stable. They certainly knew much more than me
> about Debian and Linux in general. Some where even regular Debian users...
> but they never succeeded. I wonder if testing is so much easier to install
> now. I guess we should ask Klaus...
Well, you do not have to ask. Look at /etc/apt/apt.conf:
APT::Default-Release "testing";
Knoppix is testing based.
> Perfection might be achieved in art, but scientists are always striving
> towards a vanishing point (point de fuite) . I you want to attain
> perfection in science, it's that you have no idea of what science is.
> Mainly in computer science, you might only hope to be at the cutting edge.
> (Which also includes security and safety) . The laid back "ready when it's
> reading" attitude is no way to get there. To learn how you're doing, a
Well, RWIR (ready when it's ready) is basic to getting anything good (not even
perfect). If it's not ready, it's obviously not good, right?
> Would carrying an "emergency" Debian 3 CD set add so much more weight? I'm
> afraid you've already begun sinning against the Debian ideology. Which is
Nope. But it's meant as "emergency". For example when your set of SuSE 8.1 CDs
refuses to install the server, and you are stuck on-site with a client, ...
(and it's basically not of importance for the customer, as he never admins the
box himself, ...)
Andreas
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