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Re: JFORK: Or a reasonable response to the Sun SCSL



On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 12:06:25AM +0100, bernd kreimeier wrote:
> > Java is being taught in many schools, mine included, as the default
> > 
> > Some very nice points, but I doubt the hurd will be able to serve as the
> > magic bullet.
> > 
> > comments?
> 
> 
> Java the language (sans all the added classes) might well be
> implemented using a different VM. The school does not care
> whether it is a JVM using 8bit bytecode, or some entirely
> different VM using expanding opcodes or 16bit bytecode or...

Well, if Ean's interpretation is correct, a different VM will STILL fall
under the SCSL license, if they used the Java 2.x specs to produce it.

> Java the language can also be compiled to native code.
> 
> Your point seems depressingly correct though with respect to
> all the additional APIs that might be used in schools and
> colleges (I can see it already - realtime graphics with
> Java3D - depressing indeed).
> 
> > > "free" software ceases to exist. If Linas Torvalds decided that the next
> > > kernel version of Linux was not to be GPL software, he has the right to
> > > do it. 
> 
> It is Linus, and this is bollocks. Linus can place all his
> personally written code under a different license at any time,
> he can't do that for code written by others. One effect
> of the GPL/LGPL license is that contributions from others
> infect your work, taking away your freedom to change the
> licensing for the whole.
> 
> 
> This was exemplified when Mesa switched from LGPL to BSD
> to accomodate XFree86 requirements. Brian Paul needed
> permission from every contributor.
> 
> 
> > > Does that shock you?
> 
> Quite frankly, it does. 
> 
> 
>                                               b.
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