Re: failure notice (about relays.osirusoft.com)
On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 02:23:11AM +1000, Jason Lim wrote:
> > says, and I quote, "Zentek (Jason Lim) is a spam-house, Iadvantage
> > tolerates spammers.
> Thats right... because I'm one of the first people to complain about
> this and probably the most vocal (and I'll continue to do so until
> others see the truth). Maybe the other people in HK don't have good
> enough English to argue the support themselves, but I do, and they
> can't just go around bashing HK all they want without someone putting
> up a fight.
if you really cared about the issue, you'd be a lot more productive if
you spent your energies explaining to chinese-speaking sysadmins what
the spam problem is, why they've been black-listed and what they can do
to get off the list. that would be far more effective than whining on
english-speaking mailing lists and newsgroups.
given the SPEWS listing, though, it looks like you're possibly a spammer
or spamhaus rather than just an end-user suffering collateral damage. i
hope that's not the case.
> BTW, I'd be very happy if iAdvantage was owned by me... it being a
> multimillion dollar, publically listed corporation and all. I'm
> actually kind of flattered that SPEWS thinks I'm running the show
> We're one of their customers using their bandwidth... they are one of
> the highest performance bandwidth facilities in HK which is why we use
> them for our bandwidth.
whether you like it or not, anyone can block email on their own servers
using whatever criteria they choose. you do NOT have a right to have
your mail accepted. nobody does. that choice rests with the recipient
you have two choices:
1. explain to your ISP why they shouldn't be supporting spammers and get
them to enforce an anti-spam policy.
2. move to an ISP which doesn't support spammers. if enough people did
this and told them why, your current ISP might finally acquire a clue
and change their ways.
i recommend trying option 1 first and then, if that fails, option 2.
> iAdvantage provides bandwidth to many hundreds of large corporations
> in HK... overall i'd say many thousands of websites are hosted there
> (mostly Chinese probably). So with one fell swoop all these sites can
> no longer send email properly. Can we say collateral damage to the
so what? telstra and ozemail (the latter is owned by uunet) here in
australia host thousands of legitimate businesses, and actually show
some signs of pursuing an anti-spam policy. they still get black-listed
(and rightly so) when they're caught running open relays or refuse to
terminate a spammer's account. the truth is that it is ONLY the fact
that various RBLs will list them that has forced them to have an
anti-spam policy and actually enforce it.
unless it affects their bottom-line (i.e. when the costs of supporting
spam are greater than the profits from supporting spam), they don't care
and they're not going to do anything about it.
craig sanders <firstname.lastname@example.org>
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