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Re: failure notice (about relays.osirusoft.com)

On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 02:46:55PM +1000, Jason Lim wrote:
> > amusingly, however, you completely discredit your line of argument
> > by suggesting that bl.spamcop.net is a viable substitute.
> > bl.spamcop.net isn't even a good RBL let alone any kind of a
> > substitute for osirusoft, their moronic automation policies (and
> > inevitably inadequate automation software) result in an enormous
> > number of false positives.  to put it bluntly, anyone using
> > bl.spamcop.net is either running only a tiny personal mail server or
> > is a complete barking moron.  or both.
> YOU have a chip on YOUR shoulder about the spamcop RBL. this is not
> the first time you have bitched about them in public.

actually, it's the second time i've responded to your cretinous
suggestion that bl.spamcop.net is worth using.

> > your sole complaint against osirusoft is that they list numerous
> > open relays and spam-sources in Asia which (potentially?) affects
> > you personally.  tough luck.  find yourself an ISP which a) has a
> > clue about running & securing mail servers and b) doesn't allow open
> > relays or spammers on their network.
> And what if someone does business in Asia? Oh... your braindead
> solution of "find another ISP" doesn't cut it for business. Basically
> you'd be telling people to "move out of Asia" instead?

the same problem occurs for anyone unfortunate enough to use a clueless
or spamhaus ISP.  it's got NOTHING to do with the fact that it's asian.
spamhaus and open relay ISP's *MUST* be blacklisted regardless of what
continent they are on.

the answer is the same regardless: FIND A CLUEFUL AND HONOURABLE ISP.

if you don't want to do that then you'll just have to accept the fact
that some sites are going to reject your mail.  tough luck.  shit
happens.  deal with it.

> Or maybe you don't have Asian friends that live in Asia.

irrelevant.  like many people i don't want mail from any open relay or
spamhaus, regardless of what continent they happen to be in.

> How narrow minded.

how selfish of you to insist that fighting spam is less important than
your decision to use a clueless or spamhaus ISP.


craig sanders <cas@taz.net.au>

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