Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
On 29 Jul 2002 at 15:10, Bulent Murtezaoglu wrote:
> [This is exactly the kind of exchange I was trying to avoid, oh well]
IMHO as a newbie this is just the kind of exchange I was
hoping for (trolling for?) ;-)
> >>>>> "EvB" == Emile van Bergen <emile-deb@evbergen.xs4all.nl> writes:
> [...]
> EvB> In short, you can only compare qmail and sendmail. Not only
> EvB> does the latter have a bad reputation for complexity, but for
> EvB> its amount of bugs and lack of security as well.
>
> What you say aboout sendmail was true in the late 80's to mid-90s. Its
> recent track record is much better. Do you know of any recent
> vulnerabilities other than the monor ones mentioned at
> http://www.sendmail.org/ ?
I see that the default MTA for OpenBSD is the OpenBSD port of
sendmail. That should reflect positively on its security,
although only in the OBSD flavour (OBSD still installs BIND 4
as the team considers 8 and 9 to be {broken,insecure}.
> Sendmail is _very_ flexible but it is probably not good for the
> inexperienced admin. If you are willing to read documentation and M4
> doesn't scare you, it is a fairly safe bet. In my most humble opinion
> one ought not be running an ISP of any viable size if one has trouble
> getting sendmail to do what's needed.
Should anyone who won't RTFM (where F==FULL) be running an
ISP?
> I will refrain from commenting on Qmail, other than saying that it
> does work. But if I were to learn a new MTA, I'd take a good look at
> postfix for the main reason that I like the postfix community much
> better that the Qmail community.
What are your problems with qmail? What do you like about the
Postfix comm. that QMail lacks? Not trolling for flamewars
here, trying to decide myself which way to jump (where to
start out -- I'll switch if I have to but I'd rather start
with a program that comes with recommendations that have been
{justified,explained} from >1 user. Which is why I was
{trolling,hoping} for comments on MTAs, MLMs, etc.
> I recommend anyone contemplating about sendmail for serious use to hang
> out in comp.mail.sendmail for a while to see if they fit into the
> profile that group is supportive of.
Sounds like you also have issues with the sendmail community?
Or is it just that sendmail still has holes?
> EvB> It may still be the standard MTA in certain commercial
> EvB> unixes, but IMHO the advantages offered by that (whatever
> EvB> they may be) won't outweigh the drawbacks for most people. [...]
>
> Have you used both? (by which I mean did you get both to work for you
> for a reasonable amount of time?).
I'd like to know this as well... BTW, a sysadmin (from another
[non-Debian] list) I trust says
XX> A recurring comment in the mailing list moderators mailing
> list is that djb ignores a number of standards. Which
> aren't specified.....
Anyone here have any insight into what djb's failure-to-hew-
to-standards might be?
He also said:
XX> but so far Postfix has been very, very good to me.
He's running FreeBSD, FWIW.
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