Re: help with site+database
On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 05:41:11PM +0200, Russell Coker wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:25, Peter Billson wrote:
> > > Oracle will do the trick, but the installation on linux seems so fragile:
> >
...
> > those issues. RedHat's 6.2EE series applied a lot of the 2.4
> > modifications to the 2.2 series kernel and worked very well with
> > Oracle... RedHat, Dell and Oracle even supported this combination!
>
> Your experience has been much better than mine.
>
...
> A few months ago I tried installing Oracle on a Debian system, I didn't even
> want Oracle itself, I only wanted the client libraries for talking to an
> Oracle server and the software development kit. So I wanted the libraries,
> Perl libraries, and the SQL interpreter.
>
What version of glibc does RH6.2EE use?
> There were no tarballs, RPM, or Deb packages, so I had to run the install
> program. It was an ELF format executable that gave a strange error message.
> Stracing it showed that it was trying to run a shell script that ran a java
> program which then ran another ELF binary!!! I spent a few days trying to
> track down what was going on (and hack in extra environment variables to the
> scripts etc). I encountered a number of problems including inexplicable
> failures if I used native threads through Java (Green threads worked).
>
Did you use >= version of java that RH has on debian?
> When installing Oracle on Solaris it's a lot easier because the versions of
> shared libraries and the behaviour of Java is fixed and the crap code Oracle
> writes has more chance of working.
>
> The Oracle installation software is written by some really stupid people. It
> has plenty of moving X widgets etc to show that the installation is in
> progress, but in terms of real features it is seriously lacking.
>
> The installation and maintenance of Oracle is a tricky thing. Oracle
> consultants are also very expensive (and generally not excessively skillful
> in my experience). For these reasons I'd recommend Postgres over Oracle for
> serious applications.
>
What version of Oracle was this? 8i?
IIRC, that was the first release for Linux. First releases are only
going to work on the target distribution, if at all.
If it is a later version and this wasn't cleaned up, then we'd have
more cause for complaint.
Have you tried Oracle on RH? Was it a 2.2 or 2.4 kernel?
Anyway... I don't doubt that Postgresql is a great product, I'm just
saying that just because Oracle doesn't work on Debian doesn't mean
that it's crap.
If/when Oracle is forced to support Debian, they'll probably have to
fix up their installer to conform ;)
Mike
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