Re: Hurd F1 ISO and booting
On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Farid Hajji wrote:
> Henning, how do you expect us to help, if you don't provide us with
> somewhat more detailed data?
>
> 1. What kernel are you using? gnumach or oskit-mach? Which version?
> Where/When did you get that from? Did you compile it yourself and
> if so, with what 'configure' options _exactly_? Did you cross-
> compile or did you compile it natively? What compiler and binutils
> versions did you use? If you used gnumach that came with Hurd F1
> CDs, please state it so.
Huh!? Is there two different kernels available? I think Uhurd has a big
documentation problme. This ought to be mentioned on some webpage.
What is diffrent? Which one do I need for what functionality. Which one is
the Debian/Hurd distro building on? (both? why?)
> Personally, I can't say anything about the F1 series (waiting for
> the F2 series to try again), but I just booted a vanilla E1 distrib.
> without problems. I didn't capture the boot messages, but as far as
> I can see, the drivers on my system appear ordered somewhat like this:
[and]
> Ahemm... while we're at it: if you're booting from the F1 ISO, it
> may well be, that you're first booting Linux, not gnumach. At least,
> that was the way, Phil did realize the E1-series I'm using here. That
> probably stuck in F1 as well. Are you sure that _gnumach_ hangs, not
> _linux_? I know, it's a stupid question, but you never know...
F1 F2 E1? Where do I find these ISO images? I can't find any links to it
from the Debian/Hurd ports page. There are just a link telling about it's
in "active development". Time to update the webpage, someone?
It's not a good way to spread the word if you have to search the archiove
of this list to find such info.
> I personally strongly dislike dpkg & friends, being used to FreeBSD's
> ports system for third party software. I won't critisize that dpkg/apt
> is being used on a _Debian_ GNU/Hurd system though ;-), even if I
> would have preferred a ports like mechanism for a GNU/Hurd system.
> But, hey, no-one is _forcing_ us to use a Debian-style packaging
> software on a Hurd-based system. People (like me) who don't like this,
> can craft up their own distribution-scheme, cloning whatever OS
> packaging system they like or even creating their own; so I'm not
> complaining here.
I for one just hate dpkg and friends! :)
If I just can get gcc to work under Hurd I'll be happy again! :)
Seriously, I do think that to make Hurd more popular and more widely used
we need to move away from the .deb way only as fast as possible. The most
popular Linux systems out there is still rpm based, and to attract more
developers to Hurd I think we need a distro based on something else than
.deb, but I think that this might not be the best place to discuss it.
If someone has any pointers for me where stuff like this is discussed
though, or want to start discussion them. Please mail me!
/andreas
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