On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 03:33:48PM +0200, Christian Marillat scribbled: > >> "MH" == Marek Habersack <grendel@debian.org> writes: > > > On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 04:54:30AM -0700, Joseph Carter scribbled: > > [...] > > > The only thing I am worried about, for one, is the removal of many useful > > configuration options from things like sawfish, or the control-panel... > > Changing a window manager requires messing around with the alternatives > > system, making sawfish not show the window content requires writing Lisp > > When you move a window ? > > (setq resize-outline-mode 'box 'symbol) > (setq move-outline-mode 'box 'symbol) I know that :) - I have read the sources and found the variables, but this is not the friendliest way of doing things. I'm fine with the change personally, but I talked to people who consider removing those options from the sawfish-ui a bit odd since it doesn't allow them to change the default setting easily. And not everybody likes opaque windows moving and resizing - there are some people out there who still use S3 cards or similar old junk. For them the process of resizing a window is painful with opaque mode. > > code (which is fine for me, as I know it but I helped some 5 people already > > to make that change...), same as making it wrap the workspace switching... I > > must say that I'm a bit disappointed with this aspect of GNOME2... It used > > to be so wonderfully configurable using the UI. > > My question is - are there any plans to make "advanced" interfaces for those > > control freaks who want to modify their configuration and not always have > > time to read the source or documentation (poor, as in the case of Sawfish) > > to achieve what they could do with GNOME1.4? Gconf For All(tm) would be > > sufficient, I believe :)) > > All the code has been removed in sawfish for GNOME 1.x and sawfish for > GNOME 2.x Yep, I noticed that, and that's the whole problem. Sawfish was just an example here. Another example is the absence of the window manager selection applet from the control panel or the weird font selector. There's yet another problem related to the new font selector and Sawfish. When you try to change the font for the Sawfish theme using the sawfish-ui, you get the new font chooser dialog. You select a font, close the dialog and Sawfish receives a string like 'Andale mono' or 'Arial' - not a full font specification as it used to be. The effect is that the titlebar font is a fixed one in the selected size but cursive, which looks ugly. It gets worse - a while later Sawfish segfaults. The only way to set the font now are either to use the gtkfontsel app and copy the font definition or find the font definition on your own - and then put them into the edit widget in sawfish-ui or to ~/.sawfish/custom (or ~/.sawfishrc) - provided that one knows what variable to set, which cannot be expected from the average Joe User. For me, personally, all those changes look a bit backwards - that's why my question, is there any plan to restore, or at least provide in some other means, the old configuration capabilities of both Sawfish and GNOME? marek
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