On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:10:34 +1100 Brendan Simon <Brendan@BrendanSimon.com> wrote: > Another issue for powerpc is that yaboot does not seem to be in the grip > repository. Yaboot is a bootloader for "newworld powermacs" - all > powerpc macs that use openfirmware. I have a powerpc mac, I know about yaboot. > This does not apply for intel based > macs which can use grub-efi. powerpc macs can not use grub. You have read the new section on the homepage about how Emdebian can only indirectly support low resource machines like powerpc macs? Emdebian Grip, in particular, is *binary compatible* with Debian and therefore every package has precisely the same memory footprint and CPU requirements as the same package in standard Debian. Using Emdebian Grip does *not* give you any performance advantages within the packages themselves - it is roughly equivalent to installing exactly the same packages from standard Debian on your machine and putting /usr/share on an external USB stick. I have a powerpc (iBook G4) that still runs Lenny - I would not dream of using Emdebian on it, there will be no advantages. True, that one still runs a full GNOME environment but if I changed that to XFCE, there would be no gains over an Emdebian Grip installation of XFCE. Powerpc macs like the iBook had reasonable hard drives and support expansion fairly easily - they are not usually described as embedded. > Is emdebian going to worry about boot-loaders ??? > grub, yaboot, uboot, etc ??? grub already exists: http://www.emdebian.org/grip/search.php?arch=i386&package=grub (When searching, ensure you select the appropriate architecture if a package only exists on certain architectures - the default is ARM which doesn't use bootloaders at all.) See: http://lists.debian.org/debian-embedded/2008/12/msg00023.html ================ If you want more packages added, set up a Debian machine or chroot with all the packages you need (and only the ones you need) and send the complete output of 'dpkg --get-selections' to this list. Alternatively, file RFP bugs against buildd.emdebian.org at wishlist severity. To see the current list of packages, use the search support: http://www.emdebian.org/grip/search.php ===================== Emdebian Grip is a filtered repository - packages have to be added explicitly, then their dependencies. This has a huge bonus at runtime because the dpkg and apt database is far, far smaller than any Debian system (about 100 times smaller currently). I've added yaboot though. em_autogrip: INF: adding source package to locale using reprepro Exporting indices... em_autogrip: INF: adding powerpc packages to grip using reprepro Exporting indices... > I either have to install yaboot manually, or specify a debian repository > with a lower priority than emdebian. Can that be done if using the same > disto (eg. unstable ?). Yes. > Maybe I will specify testing for the debian > repo and unstable for the emdebian repo. Later on, I'll get the emdebian-grip package uploaded to the Emdebian Grip repository so that you can download and grip any package you like. Indeed, I'm thinking of splitting emdebian-grip out of the emdebian-tools source package to make this easier. To do that, I need to make some more improvements in the emdebian-grip package, hence the testing. > Of course, as you mention, doing a proper debian install first, then > dist-upgrade to emdebian is the other way. It's an probably easier > process, but conceptually would be good to avoid :) One step at a time. -- Neil Williams ============= http://www.data-freedom.org/ http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/ http://www.linux.codehelp.co.uk/
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