Re: emacs-snapshot problems
Le 31 oct 2004, Jérôme Marant vraute :
> > I must tell that i have also the genuine emacs21 package installed to
> > allow installation of some other elisp packages (emacs_wiki, nxml, ...)
> > and it seems that emacs21 with emacs-snapshot together seem to have some
> > undesirable board effects.
> Such as?
Mainly doc & tramp problems i described.
Oh, i remember also that ecb stopped to function within emacs-snapshot :
"ECB requires semantic [1.4, 1.4.9] and eieio [0.17, 0.17.9]. Download now?
(y or n) "
Semantic and eieio are debian apt-get installed packages.
Also strange behavior of moy-bbdb, a package by Matthieu Moy that enables to
ask for adding recipients to bbdb at sending time. Currently it does not ask
anymore but do adds to base.
> > Xavier had just told me to look at this list and i find that i fight
> > with the same problems other people already had. For example :
> > - on-line documentation is partially broken : sometimes it fails to
> > access /usr/share/emacs/21.3.50/etc/DOC-220.127.116.11 (looks very like Kai
> > had and following what was said on the list i did the make
> > maintainer-clean)
> It is strange. The ".7" extension means that emacs has been many more
> times than what does the package.
Not sure to understand. Has been what many more times ? Compiled ?
> Basically, I use make bootstrap and I shall get DOC-18.104.22.168 only. Then,
> when I need to build a with another toolkit (like GTK), make distclean
> removes any DOC* file.
Well, when i build emacs "by hand" as for making osx installer or for "make
install" installation, i use to "make maintainer-clean" and "make bootstrap"
to ensure a clean build.
I did not take care of what did the dpkg-buildpackage exactly, but i
remember i made a maintainer-clean before.
Maybe I could try another "make maintainer-clean" and then another package
> > - tramp (provided with cvs package) is totally broken : i cannot access
> > any
> > ftp site for example and it also keeps on failing to display help
> What tramp cvs package?
The one that is provided by cvs emacs (ssems to be 2.4.45). It cannot
connect anymore nor it can display help (i guess to explain why it can't
> > I suppose that there is a problem with the path, that some lisp files
> > are seen several times and that for emacs-snapshot some files from
> > emacs21 are loaded.
> You need to provide details so we can possibly diagnose. Thanks.
Actually, i don't know exactly where to search problems :(
I also added a file in /etc/emacs-snapshot/site-start.d to help fixing the
,----[ 01emacs-snapshot-fixes.el ]
| (setq load-path (append '("/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp") load-path))
| (setq load-path (append '("/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp") load-path))
| (defconst flavor 'emacs-snapshot
| "A symbol representing the particular debian flavor of emacs running.
| Something like 'emacs20, 'xemacs20, etc.")
I could ask the question in other manner : do people that are trying
emacs-snapshot managed to have peaceful co-existence of emacs-snapshot and
emacs-21 and have both installations fully operational ?
> > Hopefully Gnus is mainly still functional :) (some problems with bbdb
> > remain)
> What's the problem with bbdb?
What i said about moy-bbdb upwards.
> > Also, i wonder why emacs-snapshot cannot replace the emacs21 instead of
> > installing aside. Maybe it would simplify those problems ?
> We don't want that. A stable emacs release shall always be around in case
> of troubles.
Okay, so it seems that i have to look further for better emacs-snapshot
I remember that i also re-defined the emacs flavor to default use with
> > So, maybe a good soul in the list could help me to debug that stuff ?
I hope that you would better see what problems i have. Anyway, ask if you
want me to develop some point.