Re: Ping: Re: Cooperation between DebianEdu/Skolelinux and EdUbuntu ?
Hello Jonas,
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 05:30:19PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 02:53:12PM +0200, Martin Oehler wrote:
> >The list of unfinished or even not yet started *official* packaging:
> >
> >- CipUX. The current state with a long post installation howto is
> > hard to handle. It's even worse if you generate software that
> >depends on a CipUX with at least a working base configuration. No
> >flame at Jonas here, he does a good job - it's simply a complex
> >task.
> >
> >- LINBO. Really hard to package as it seems with having a custom kernel
> > and using Qt Embedded.
> >
> >- italc-rlp. Yes, it depends on CipUX (we have the same problem with
> > Catweasel when it comes to packaging) otherwise it's mere patch
> >that adds some menu items, matching functions and removes some
> >buttons that didn't work in our tests. Keeps coding style and
> >dependencies and does only add, not change functionality (I'm
> >rewriting it as a patch atm).
> >
> > I can't see the problem, honestly. But let's hear about the policy
> > violations.
> >
> >- ADRIANE - I would say about the same difficulty level as LINBO.
> >
> >- Catweasel. It depends on CipUX rpcd and waits for a brave
> >packager too.
>
> It seems to me that none of the above is easier solved by moving
> away from Debian and closer to Ubuntu.
I didn't suggest moving away from Debian or Skolelinux. That was
never intended. In my opinion, the ideal open source software for
schools is designed to run on all distributions to avoid the
"your school server must be reinstalled with distribution X" problem.
> Some parts is already worked
> on, others it is clear what work is needed but needs a volunteer to
> do it, while some is inherently difficult to do in a Debian-based
> framework and thus needs *both* a competent volunteer and structural
> changes to get integrated with a Debian- (or Ubuntu-)based
> distribution.
The empty set of volunteers for this task is currently the main problem,
I agree.
> >Ubuntu (+flavor) is a good, solid distribution, why not work with
> >these people if there is a packager ready for the job?
>
> Sure. We all agree that collaboration is good.
>
> I warmly welcome an Ubuntu developer helping package Skolelinux-RLP
> stuff to be usable for all Debian derivatives and Debian itself.
Correct, but why should we care where her or he does his main open source
work?
> I have no interest in (but will simply ignore, not try to obstruct)
> Ubuntu developers packaging Skolelinux-RLP stuff for Ubuntu and its
> derivatives.
>
> I also have no interest in working from an Ubuntu/Canonical
> development platform, due to the issues I tried to cover in a
> separate email.
OK, this is your private decision. If the main goal is still to develop good
software for teachers and students (it is!) it shouldn't harm to work together
with other people building school distributions - it might help getting
stuff done. This stuff will of course work with Skolelinux - perfect.
"I don't want to talk to you, you're using/working for the wrong
distribution" shouldn't be our mindset and I'm sure this isn't yours -
your last paragraph could be understood wrong. ;-)
Kind regards,
Martin
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