El mié, 11-07-2007 a las 13:37 +0200, Knut Yrvin escribió: > [José L. Redrejo Rodríguez] > > I don't remember if at IRC or via email I suggest that in a kde profile > > it should be kdegames|gnome-games not gnome-games. Gnome-games is there > > as it was before in education-logic-games (even in sarge it's in that > > pacakage). > > [Knut Yrvin] > My apologies. Sorry for keeping you responsible for this, that you were not! > bah, partially I was responsible as I ask Petter to include all the educative metapackages in the non-server profiles, that's why education-logic-games with gnome-games appeared in your desktop. > > In fact I'm not in favour of adding any kind of games unless > > they have a strong educative part (as gnuchess or similar). I don't like > > kdegames nor gnome-games as they mix logical games with some not very > > right games for schools. > > Thank you for making this clear. I think that my inncorrect suggestion brought > up good requirement, focusing on educational needs. If a game don't > introduces pedagogic value, it should be optionall. Then we can put card > games as poker and blackjack distributed, but not installed from the DVD. > Maybe you remember the special desktop we prepared for primary schools. There are games in that desktop, but because public schools in Extremadura are used in the afternoon for extra-scholar activities that include using games. For secondary we removed all the games except a very nice chess training course a teacher has packaged. > Actually that was Petter and mine objection at the Edubuntu gathering in > London summer of 2005. One of the Edubuntu developers said every > edu-application should be gnome-based. We objected saying that every > application should be included for its educational merit, disregarding which > developer environment used to make that application. Richard Weideman has > pointed at the same. He is Education Programme Manager at Canonical: > > http://osdir.com/ml/linux.ubuntu.devel.edubuntu/2006-07/msg00048.html > That's a non-sense. First we are thinking in our students education. I'm a gnome user and will never understand that way of thinking. Probably the will include java apps and not kde apps. I think we should include the best apps for every target. > There are an objection against blending educational programs made with > different libraries thou. When running KDE apps on Gnome they stands out Jono > Bacon says. He is Community Manager for Ubuntu. > > I think the Portland initiative from Linux Foundation solves most of > the "standing out" issue. New versions of different developer libraries now > inherent native look and feel from different desktops. If next version of > Skolelinux introduces KDE4 apps and next version of Gnome, decoration and > behavioural issues will be fixed. > I'm not very confidence about it. Portland will made a better integration, copy & paste, appearance, etc. While we keep on using dynamic libraries, starting a gnome app on kde will take some nasty time, like starting a kde app on gnome. That can not be fixed unless you compile statically. > I see that Petter has put things in motion: > > [Petter Reinholdtsen] > > The individual games we want from these metapackages > > should be listed specificly in the relevant task. > I do agree, and it's possible with kdegames as it is a metapackage, so you can choose (my votes go for katomic, kblackbox, kenolaba, kjumpingcube, kwin4, ktuberling, ksokoban, kshisen, kreversi and kmahjongg) . It's not possible with gnome-games as that package includes every executable file. A real pity, there are some good logical ones with good graphics. Regards. José L.
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