Re: [Debian-NYC] DebConf10 pre-proposal: New York City
On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 15:56 -0400, Micah Anderson wrote:
> Ok, now that I've gotten that Obama rant off my chest. I want to raise
> a few concerns that are totally on-topic, about this proposal. Please
> do not take these concerns as blocking for this idea, I just think we
> need to be clear here what is going on.
> 1. Making a proposal to have NYC as the Debconf venue with less
> than 24 hours notice to NYC people seems a little rushed and
> disorganized to me. I'm not even sure I know what the list
> 'debian-events-na' even is, but asking on that list, at the bottom of
> a long email:
> "Please speak up if you would be willing to help put in the
> significant amount of time it would take to organize DebConf10 in the
> US. I'll need to hear from some of you by Tuesday if I am to go ahead
> with the proposal."
> Without even mentioning it on the list that has a much wider NYC
> debian subscriber base (the Debian NYC Social list), strikes me as the
> first step towards certain chaos. I would expect the debconf
> organizers are expecting that a local NYC group of people are meeting
> and talking about the possibility long before making a proposal. I
> would expect a decision about the relative viability and how to make
> such a presentation would be carefully planned, rather than simply
> thrown over the wall the day beforehand and hope that people will step
> up to the plate. If I were responsible for picking the venue for next
> year, this would make my eyebrows raise and I'd be concerned that this
> serves as a model of how the organization of the conference was going
> to happen.
I thought tomorrow's meeting was not exactly for making a proper formal
discussion. I think it was more intended for people to get an idea on
what other MIGHT present formally later on, when a proper deadline by
the DebConf cabal was announced. Can you please clarify, Jimmy?
> 2. The criteria for hosting a debconf do not seem to be met
> here. "Strong, mature, experienced local team"? Getting a list of
> people who say that they can help out, less than a day before the
> proposal is to be made does not strike me as a "strong local team"
> that has any sort of committment. This could change, but lets be
> honest here, Debian NYC people are not strongly organized. We maybe
> get together for a beer every 6 months, but only if someone just names
> a time and place.
This is not always true. From what I know, Gunnar Wolf was the main
local team organizer in DC6 and he started just like this. There wasn't
a strong, mature and experienced local team in that case (and still
isn't), but it started to grow as the event approached. This is
basically a bit chaotic for most of the new German DebConf management
but it doesn't imply that it cannot be tried to be achieved or that it
would miserably fail.
> 3. Space is a premium in this city, and hard to come by for a large
> group of people. I think its possible to get something, but I do not
> think a major university is going to have space to give up for several
> hundred people for a week (or more). Even with connections to NYU and
> Columbia, I know that space is the biggest problem at these
> universities, and I am sure at the others in the city as well. Perhaps
> a warehouse in brooklyn is more realistic.
> 4. "everyone speaks English, so no language barrier for a 3rd year in
> a row" -- I suspect this is just a mistake, as everyone seemed to
> speak English in Scotland last year.
I think Jimmy meant to not have Spanish as first language in DC10 after
Argentina and Spain.
> 5. "Many countries (e.g. Argentina, Brazil, Russia) can get a visa
> within a month". At least Brasilians will be required to pay $150 USD
> for a visa, thats a lot.
This varies from the kind of visa being requested, which is controlled
by the Department of State:
> 6. Organizing debian NYC social get-togethers is not easy, and those
> are just about drinking beer. I am having trouble imagining how it
> would work or local NYC debian related people to organize an entire
> conference without any prior experience trying to organize something
By the way, given that DebConf8 is happening right now, why don't we,
all of us who couldn't attend it, get together and drink beer?
David Moreno <firstname.lastname@example.org>
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