Re: [Debian-NYC] DebConf10 pre-proposal: New York City
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 03:56:26PM -0400, Micah Anderson wrote:
> I'm not even sure I know what the list 'debian-events-na' even is
It's the official list for discussing Debian events, or Debian presence
at other events, in North America.
> Without even mentioning it on the list that has a much wider NYC
> debian subscriber base (the Debian NYC Social list), strikes me as the
> first step towards certain chaos.
I did realize that shortly after sending my mail, and I was about to
forward it to debiannyc when I saw that David Moreno had just done it.
> I would expect the debconf organizers are expecting that a local NYC
> group of people are meeting and talking about the possibility long
> before making a proposal. I would expect a decision about the relative
> viability and how to make such a presentation would be carefully
> planned, rather than simply thrown over the wall the day beforehand
> and hope that people will step up to the plate. If I were responsible
> for picking the venue for next year, this would make my eyebrows raise
> and I'd be concerned that this serves as a model of how the
> organization of the conference was going to happen.
Based on what I've heard at the conference now, nobody has done a lot of
prep work for any bid this year. Michael Schultheiss and I have spent
most of this afternoon making a presentation and adding info to the wiki
page, which is far ahead of any other bid for DebConf10. I agree it's
not ideal, but not a blocker.
> 2. The criteria for hosting a debconf do not seem to be met here.
> "Strong, mature, experienced local team"? Getting a list of people who
> say that they can help out, less than a day before the proposal is to
> be made does not strike me as a "strong local team" that has any sort
> of committment. This could change, but lets be honest here, Debian NYC
> people are not strongly organized. We maybe get together for a beer
> every 6 months, but only if someone just names a time and place.
Debian NYC people are not strongly organized currently, true. This can
change fast with some actual catalyst and some people driving it
forward, as I intend to do (in addition to anyone else). If you look at
the other criteria, NYC meets the vast majority of them with flying
> 3. Space is a premium in this city, and hard to come by for a large
> group of people. I think its possible to get something, but I do not
> think a major university is going to have space to give up for several
> hundred people for a week (or more). Even with connections to NYU and
> Columbia, I know that space is the biggest problem at these
> universities, and I am sure at the others in the city as well. Perhaps
> a warehouse in brooklyn is more realistic.
Space for conferences during summertime at these universities is usually
not hard to come by. (As opposed to space during times when classes are
> 4. "everyone speaks English, so no language barrier for a 3rd year in
> a row" -- I suspect this is just a mistake, as everyone seemed to
> speak English in Scotland last year.
Not a mistake, no. This year is in Argentina and next year is in Spain,
both of which are Spanish-speaking countries. Next year would be the
third year in a row if it's not in an English-speaking country.
> 5. "Many countries (e.g. Argentina, Brazil, Russia) can get a visa
> within a month". At least Brasilians will be required to pay $150 USD
> for a visa, thats a lot.
$131, I believe. Yes it is a lot, but we could see about sponsoring some
of that. The number of attendees from countries where this is a
requirement should not be large, so I doubt this would break the budget.
> 6. Organizing debian NYC social get-togethers is not easy, and those
> are just about drinking beer. I am having trouble imagining how it
> would work or local NYC debian related people to organize an entire
> conference without any prior experience trying to organize something
We have several people involved (see the wiki) who have been involved
in organizing DebConfs or other conferences before. Also, I don't think
most local teams had extensively worked together with each other prior
to organizing their DebConf.
- Jimmy Kaplowitz
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