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Re: Release Notes available for translation

On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 10:05:14PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
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> (CC'ing d-boot; however, I propose to keep the discussion on d-doc.)
> IMHO a call for translation of the Release Notes is a bit premature.
> I have just downloaded the latest English version from [1] with the 
> intention of starting a Dutch translation.
> A quick scan gave me the impression that the main text of the release notes  
> still refers more to Woody than to Sarge. At the bottom of the mail I have 
> copied some examples of this.
> I seems a shame to start a new translation while a significant part of the 
> text needs rewriting.

Oh. Now thats interesting, i made some significant changes to the
release notes. For instance the sections on using dselect and apt-get
were both replaced with a single version documenting aptitude. You'd be
suprised how much of this document goes back to potato and before.

> Besides that general point, I have some observations and suggestions.
> - - PowerPC will be installed with kernel 2.6.8 by default.

No one had been able to give me a straight answer on this. Thanks for
letting me know. 

> - - The alternative kernel for i386 will be 2.6.8 (not 2.6.7).

When i checked the package database the other day i thought i only saw
2.6.7 available for testing.

Both the above are now being fixed.

> - - Have the update instructions been checked for an update from
>   Woody to Sarge? What package tool is preferred for the upgrade:
>   apt-get, dselect (don't think so), aptitude?

Aptitude. See above, i have tested that. However unfortunately some
packages have broken dependencies right now that need to be resolved.

> - - I think something i386 support in Sarge should be mentioned.

Sorry? I dont quite follow what this point is

> - - Would it be possible to split of the lists of old/new/etc. packages
>   from the main en.sgml file and include the lists only at build time?
>   This would make things a lot easier for translators.

IMHO, I dont really want it in there, but someone did the work to put it
in last time and I spent a helluvalot of time trying to generate that
stuff sensibly this time.

> Note: This mail is not intended to put down the work that has been done on 
> the RN, it is greatly appreciated. However, I am concerned about the state 
> of the RN now that the release of Sarge is approaching.

My opinion is that getting the document translations updated (and also
available on the website, which i'm trying to get done) will allow many
more eyes to see this.

> Selection of paragraphs that seem to refer to Woody and not Sarge
> =================================================================
> The 2.2 kernel series has been updated and developed extensively introducing 
> several valuable changes both in the kernel and in other programs based on 
> kernel features, along with a whole slew of new hardware drivers and bug 
> fixes for existing drivers.

I couldnt find that in the sarge branch.

> A 2.4 kernel is also included in this release for optional installation by 
> users. Although the 2.4 branch is considered by the kernel developers to be 
> a stable kernel branch, the &debian; release team judged it not to have 
> reached sufficient maturity for inclusion as the default kernel in this 
> release.
> <Outdated>

Nor this

> The new <package>debootstrap</package> tool downloads, unpacks and extracts 
> &debian; packages for the base system installation. This is an improvement 
> over the previous installation system which used a tarball containing the 
> base system. The installation base system can be updated more dynamically 
> with this system.
> <This should be about Debian Installer>

Nor this.

> The task system has been revamped. Tasks in the previous release consisted 
> of meta packages (packages which are simply collections of other packages). 
> The new system uses special headers within the existing package system to 
> designate any tasks to which each package may belong.
> This allows greater selection of tasks and it is much easier to only install 
> selected components of tasks, instead of the whole thing.
> <There is a completely different tasksel now>

Nor this.

> Kernel images are available in various \"flavors\". These flavors each 
> support a different set of hardware. The flavors available in &debian; 
> &release; for &arch-title; are:
> <and subsequent list>
> <Flavors have been replaced by better hardware-detection; i386 still has the 
> speakup flavor>

This was updated for i386.

> At install time, the kernel used is &kernelversion;, however a 2.4 kernel, 
> the latest stable branch is included for those who wish to benefit from it.
> <Alternative kernel is 2.6.8>

Nor this

> The Debian package management tools apt and dpkg have been improved 
> considerably in this release. Now apt supports \"pinning\" in which the user 
> can opt to download certain packages from different distributions, e.g. 
> testing or unstable, while still keeping the bulk of packages in the stable 
> distribution. APT will automagically download and install appropriate 
> dependent packages from the advanced distribution as required. An <url id=
> \"&url-apt-pin-howto;\" name='APT \"pinning\" howto'> is available.
> <This is old news>

Nor this.

> This release of &debian; contains the much improved XFree86 4.1 release, 
> which includes support for a greater range of hardware, better autodetection 
> support, and improved support for advanced technologies such as Xinerama and 
> 3D acceleration. XFree86 3.3.6 is available as an option, to support older 
> hardware that is not supported by XFree86 4.1.
> <Outdated>

Nor this.

> For the first time, &debian; includes several full featured free graphical 
> web browsers in the form of Mozilla, Galeon and Konqueror. With the 
> inclusion of KDE 2.2 for the first time, as well as the new GNOME 1.4 
> release, Debian's desktop provision has been radically improved.
> <Well, the second time>

Nor this.

> The version of m4 in woody does not run on Linux kernels from the 2.0 
> series. It is therefore strongly recommended that users of sendmail upgrade 
> to a 2.2 series or better Linux kernel before proceeding with the upgrade.

Nor this.

Some how you're not looking at the sarge branch there. I followed your
link, and that looked fine but you musnt choose to download HEAD. As
that currently has the woody version.



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