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Re: Thanks and Decision making working group

Quoting Jonathan Carter (2021-04-19 20:37:32)
> On 2021/04/19 20:18, Daniel Leidert wrote:
> > The vote was actually two votes:
> > 
> > a) Should Debian respond publicly as a project? (the "if)
> > b) How should such a response read? (the "how")
> I agree with you, I've said something similar before, although instead
> of saying it was two votes, I'd rather say it started out as a, and that
> that was the initial intention of the GR, and then it morphed into b as
> the additional options were added. Sam noted this phenomenon in his last
> mail in this thread as a strategic abuse. I think it certainly could be
> used as a strategic abuse and we should be weary of that, but I also
> don't assign any bad intentions to the people who added options in this
> particular vote, I don't think it was their intentions to purposely
> change the nature of the vote in order to change the outcome of the
> original vote, and I think it's more a failure of our process, but I
> think in broad strokes we're about on the same page on this.

I can see in hindsight how the addition of options could have been done 
deliberately to ruin the original intent of a "yes/no" style ballot.

For my part in seconding multiple options and doing so with little 
hesitation was not with an aim to twist.  Instead I was a) genuinely 
concerned with Debian as an organisation formally standing behind a 
message which I found contained allegations, and b) supported many 
options because I was worried about the limited time available for 
refining options.

Had the process not been shortened then I would most likely have waited 
longer for others more well reasoned in their phrasing proposals to have 
come forward, and probably also (like I usually do) second only few 
options if any at all.

I don't mean to blame those deciding to shorten the process - I do 
understand that their reasoning was well-intended.  My point is that at 
least for me that shortening of processing time caused stress and more 
sloppy processing than might have been the case with more time.  And, as 
pointed out by Sam and Jonathan, that stress could be seen as deliberate 

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