Re: Debian With Alternate Init Systems
On Thu, 2020-02-06 at 21:12 +0000, Sam Hartman wrote:
> > > > > > "Svante" == Svante Signell <svante.signell@gmail.com> writes:
>
> Svante> When is
> Svante> Debian ever to offer a non-systemd alternative for
> Svante> installation?
>
> I hear your frustration that you'd like to see Debian committed to
> supporting alternate init systems.
> I do understand you value that and have spent a lot of time on it.
>
> Unfortunately, I think that Debian has decided that's not directly our
> focus.
Just to make sure: If I submit patches for the Debian installer for support of
more than one init system, they would be outright rejected.
> In the most recent GR, we committed to providing people the tools they
> need to explore and develop alternate init systems.
It would be nice to grasp all consequences of the GR.
> So, what would it take for us to offer a non-systemd varient for
> installation?
> Someone would have to develop something that the project looked at and
> said, yeah, that's worth supporting as a first-class alternative to
> systemd.
See above.
> My take on the GR--and certainly my intent in writing proposal B--is
> that would take a new decision of the project.
Maybe another GR?
> I understand that you and many in the project believe that existing
> alternative init systems meet that bar today. My take on the GR is that
> the project as a whole does not support that conclusion.
Seems like you (and all other systemd-proponents) already have made up your
mind. So non-systemd for Linux is a dead horse in Debian (the Universal
Operating System!).
> You're welcome to work on any of the existing alternate init systems.
> You are welcome to propose patches to make them work better with other
> things. People may or may not take those patches.
> It's okay even if the reason they don't take those patches is they don't
> want to support the alternate init system you are working on.
My comments above are enough as a answer to this.
> Yes, this may mean that the support for a particular alternate init
> system may be better in a downstream that focuses on that system than in
> Debian itself.
Perhaps all Debian Developers and Maintainers opposing systemd ought to leave
the project, including those having package not being dependent on systemd.
Looking at the GR vote results that would be a large number of people,
effectively reducing the projects ability to create releases. All you non-
systemd voters: Consider this option seriously!
Thanks!
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