Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

[Stéphane Aulery <lkppo@free.fr>]

Le 16/05/2017 03:47, Nicholas D Steeves a écrit :
> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 02:17:40AM +0200, Stéphane Aulery wrote:
> > Yes, Debian is a community like another, and a community is build
> > with shared principles. Design isn't principle, it is just a shameful
> > exploitation of the idea of beauty, serving a precise purpose which
> > is not a shared principle. Wanting to do the number is not and should
> > never be a goal of Debian.
> >
> > Debian say claim to be "The universal operating system". It should not 
> > be
> > understood that it is used by everyone but that is generalist
> > and at the service of all.
> >
> > Design and advertising are one and the same, manipulating the mind 
> > through
> > the image to obtain consent. We are stuck in this rotten atmosphere 
> > since
> > the interwar period.
>
> Much longer than that!  See "beauty" "deception" "kalon" vs "kallos"
> in Plato's writing.  While some people use beauty to lie and cheat and
> bend both truth and understanding, this is not always the case.
> Something that is beautiful can be admirable and true.
>
> If Debian's structure is all of these things, then shouldn't also be
> its artwork and design?  Even website design...  Isn't this the point
> of the Fibonacci logo?

I did not want to talk about philosophers, it would have been 
pretentious.
But you understood the message. Yes, beautiful, truth and being are one 
thing.

I think that Debian does not especially need aesthetic beauty research 
because
it already has the accents of truth for it, and since it is one the same 
thing
it already has a little intrinsically.

Do we need to make a very beautiful site to bring people to us? No,
because Debian already has real principles that have attracted thousands 
of people.
Do we need to make a better site? Yes, because it goes together.

What I really want to say is that the original message calls for an 
aesthetic
among others that is the one of the moment, but that is not what we 
should aim
for as this kind of beauty does not fit the timeless beauty of the 
principles
of Debian since it is so quickly obsolete.

Regards,

--
Stéphane Aulery