On Fri, 2015-01-16 at 16:48 +0300, Dmitry Yu Okunev wrote: > Hello. > > Is it really necessary to discuss this on debian-devel@? IMHO, it's > local issue, yet… And also please sorry for my English skills. > > On 01/16/2015 03:48 PM, Ben Armstrong wrote: > > On 16/01/15 08:15 AM, Stephan Seitz wrote: > >> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 07:32:41AM +1100, Riley Baird wrote: > >>> (Also, in any case, don't you think that this game is going a little too > >>> far? It's fine to be opposed to systemd, but don't do to Lennart > >> > >> Well, do you see a difference to the original game with Bill Gates? > > > > Do you honestly not see the difference between poking fun at an upstream > > that is at the center of an ongoing controversy vs. poking fun at a > > competitor? > > 1. Everybody (who doesn't like systemd) already resigned, IMHO. There's > already no "controversy". > 2. So you don't mind to add this package in future, right? > > So, I can't tell for Stephan Seitz (who you asked), but I don't see > difference between "XLennart" and "XBill" in ethical and practical meanings. Practically, it's more important to maintain good relations with Lennart Poettering than with Bill Gates. Of course we now have software from Microsoft in the archive, but Gates has not been running MS for many years. Ethically, I don't know, maybe we should consider removing xbill too. [...] > > Where does it stop? A separate x<nameofsatiricaltarget> > > package per person whom some subset of users holds accountable for > > "ruining Linux"? How does this package make Debian better? > > 2 packages for 20 years is not too much. Why this should be stopped? > It's a part of history. This game represents very loud, long and > interesting moment in FOSS history. And it represents an essential > culture subset of nowadays FOSS community. So Debian will be better for > this people. There are plenty of poisonous subsets of the FOSS community. They're not 'essential' and they do not need to be represented in Debian. Freedom of speech doesn't mean anyone else has to help spread your message. > If there's nobody from DD will agree with it, then the > package just won't be sponsored. I don't see any problem. > > How does XBill make Debian better? [...] Maybe it doesn't. I played it a few times in the 90s when Windows seemed like more of a threat and I had my own juvenile anti-Microsoft web pages. Perhaps it serves as a reminder of the old Unix workstations of the 90s and the infatuation of the some of the workstation vendors with Windows NT. (Now we know that making Windows portable doesn't mean applications get ported, and the workstations largely got replaced by PCs rather than just changing OS. But then some of those PCs ended up running Linux...) Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Lowery's Law: If it jams, force it. If it breaks, it needed replacing anyway.
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