Re: veto?

[Daniel Pocock <daniel@pocock.pro>]

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On 12/11/14 18:36, Philip Hands wrote:
> Daniel Pocock <daniel@pocock.pro> writes:
> 
>> On 12/11/14 17:47, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>>> On 11/12/2014 07:08 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>>>> On 12/11/14 11:43, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 11:04:05AM +0100, Daniel Pocock
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> It is very sad to see that contributors sometimes feel
>>>>>> that the only option for them is to resign.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Would it be worthwhile giving people another option, for
>>>>>> example, allowing a percentage of DDs to formally veto
>>>>>> decisions?  Would this be better than people leaving
>>>>>> outright?
>>>>> Can you elaborate which decisions and how many DDs could
>>>>> veto them?
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I didn't want to be too specific, to give other people a
>>>> chance to make suggestions
>>>> 
>>>> However, one possibility is that anybody maintaining an
>>>> essential package and anybody who is a DPL delegate would be
>>>> able to veto.  The implication is that somebody can still win
>>>> a GR against the veto, but they do so knowing that they will
>>>> have to find somebody else to maintain some essential
>>>> packages.
>>> 
>>> I don't agree with filtering the people on what kind of package
>>> they maintain, or if they have a role delegated by the DPL.
>>> This makes absolutely no sense to me: in what way are they more
>>> competent, and why should they have more power than others?
>> 
>> It is not a suggestion that such people are more or less
>> competent than anybody else.
>> 
>> Rather, it is a recognition of the fact that if these people are
>> going to leave anyway (or are not going to lift a finger to
>> support a particular decision, as everybody is a volunteer after
>> all) then people proposing the decision need to actively
>> demonstrate that they can take on the extra workload that will
>> result from getting a decision in their favor.
> 
> Oh, I see.
> 
> You're expecting people proposing GRs to be receptive to rational
> argument.
> 
> I fear you've not been paying close attention recently.  Well
> done. I congratulate you on your wisdom.
> 

If rational argument is not necessary, then I'll propose a GR myself:
Debian will give every DD a present of 1 million BTC for Christmas.

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