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Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 05:05:37PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 04:41:13PM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 03:59:29PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > > If I understand right, new upower basically throws away most of its
> > > functionality, telling its users to use systemd instead.  That's an idea
> > > that's neither good nor acceptable.
> > 
> > I see you want to start a discussion about systemd? I rather not
> > participate. The decision was taken by ctte, suggest to not keep
> > rehashing if you want systemd. It also feels too much like saying what a
> > project should have done, 10+ months too late.
> Yes, the decision was taken by ctte.  #746715 decided that all init systems
> are to be supported, not only systemd, and that functionality on non-systemd
> must not be dropped without a good reason.

That summary is not correct. The default is systemd. All other init
systems support should NOT be blocked (if lacking and someone wants to
add it). Effort SHOULD be made to support all init systems. Debian
Developers / *Packagers* SHOULD NOT remove other init system support
without good reason.

There was also a question what should happen if *upstream* removes
support. That's not up to Debian Developers to patch back. Such was
discussed and clarified. One of the questions that was voted on this was
pretty much about this.

> > > So reverting to a fully functional version of upower for jessie would be
> > > probably best.
> > 
> > You cannot have both installed at the same time. Meaning: software which
> > relies/uses new UPower cannot be installed at the same time as software
> > relying on the older one.
> Except that even Gnome3 can work with upower 0.9, at least in the version
> that's going to end up in jessie.

Could be that I am mistaken. I thought Jessie would be going for 3.12.
But IMO it still doesn't matter. Either you have the problem with GNOME,
or maybe some other software.

> So you're dropping most functionality on non-systemd... why?

UPower is not GNOME, it is freedesktop.org. If UPower removes systemd
functionality, then people wanting that support should advocate with
UPower when it is being decided. That's why I announce such changes, to
ensure that people have a chance to get involved in case they don't
notice. If I read back on blog posts I made in the beginning of the year
I also highlighted it in blog posts. IIRC also talked about it on
debian-devel as well as other distribution mailing lists.

Often there was ample opportunity for various things to raise the
concerns. If that isn't done in a reasonable timeframe (2-4 weeks), then
development will move on.

>From my side I highlight whatever issues I see that might cause
problems, but that doesn't make things my problem or a problem caused by
GNOME just because I fwd / tell about it via a GNOME mailing list.


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