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Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On 6/27/2014 3:59 AM, Alastair McKinstry wrote:
> On 26/06/2014 17:43, Paul Wise wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:58 PM, Alastair McKinstry wrote:
>>> udev itself is disabled in scripts as it keeps crashing
>>> on my hardware. (Old powerpc server).
>> Which bug number is this?
> This is a bug that I _think_ (following the lists) has since been fixed
> upstream, but I am reluctant to test
> on an operational server with unusual hardware. In practice for my use
> case I can just ignore it; there are few event changes
> on the system and I can live with just disabling udev , killing it on
> reboot, but I can't remove it
> from the system as there are dependencies in other code on it.
> I will test again when updating to jessie, but until then I prefer to
> leave the server alone.
> udev has not really been a problem for me. My concern was using popcon
> as a measure of success
> of a package when its "required dependency" and lack of realistic
> alternatives is the
> crux of the argument.
> My fear is that systemd + friends are becoming a required framework,
> subverting the Unix
> ethos of a bunch of co-operating tools and libraries. It becomes
> increasing impossible to
> simply replace a component I might disagree with, or that breaks my use
> case, with one I develop
> because of all the cross-dependencies. While "if you disagree, write a
> replacement" is the traditional answer
> in Linux/Debian, we need to look out and make sure that remains possible.
> regards
> Alastair

Wouldn't glibc then fall into the list of things you don't like as a
"required framework"? By that logic, all libraries must be hot-swappable
with no additional effort by the end-user. That's just not realistic.


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