[ ⏰ 26/06/2014 15:34 ] [ ✎ Thorsten Glaser ] > Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: > >> So that students can do eg ssh mybuddymachine /sbin/shutdown ? >> >> (and they need to be able to shutdown their own machine, power is not free). > > Why do people always think that a proposal will automatically > exclude all others? > > In your student scenario, you do *not* add them to the shutdown > group (or you show some trust into them). In your scenario, you > use all those *kit (or their successors) packages. You are what > those GNOME/systemd people target their new things at. > > But neither you nor Svante/me are the *only* use cases. Rather, > both coexist. Just as I do not want to tell you to add all your > students to the shitdown group, which would be inappropriate, I > do not want to be told to use systemd, just to shut down a box. > Use the right tool for the job. However, in your scenario, somebody will bug base-files asking that the shutdown group be added to the base groups of everybody. I do not want that. My ideal setup is that nobody has any groups but his own. I would like audio and video groups removed for everybody. This is not needed with the correct framework. I agree that this model may work for special needs (fuse, maybe?). So I say, if you want to use this kind of backward setup, install systemd-equivs, setup whatever you need, modifying pam groups and everything, like I used to setup the IRQ number for my sound card twenty years ago, and be done with it. Sincerely, -- Jean-Christophe Dubacq
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