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Re: SV: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 22:01 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 06/25/2014 03:59 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > 
> > You are insinuating that people are surreptitiously adding dependencies
> > on systemd components their packages don’t need, just so that they get
> > installed on your system to piss you off.
> No. It's probably not intentional. But the effect is the same.
> I used the word "Insidious" as I would have use "Stealth", because it's
> happening slowly, without us noticing, that everything in Debian is
> being locked with systemd. Soon, we'll have no choice.

Agreed, maybe we should increase #747535 to RC level again? Perhaps
this is something for the CTTE to consider.

> On 06/25/2014 04:01 PM, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> > We have decided to use systemd as the default.
> Yes. And *only* about the default. Not that systemd should be mandatory.

This is the essence of this issue: Default but not mandatory.

Regarding mate desktop policykit-1 build-depends on libsystemd-login-dev
only for linux-any. What functionality is missing for other
architectures? What about libselinux for policykit-1, this dependency is
also linux-any.

Regarding the comment on systemd-must-die, it was mainly for people who
*dont* want systemd on their computers, I'm not alone here.

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