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Re: SV: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On 06/25/2014 03:59 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mercredi 25 juin 2014 à 14:29 +0800, Thomas Goirand a écrit : 
>> Do you know any other package like systemd, with a non-negligible amount
>> of users willing to *not* have it installed, but which is always brought
>> back by insidious reverse dependencies?
> “Insidious reverse dependencies”?
> You are insinuating that people are surreptitiously adding dependencies
> on systemd components their packages don’t need, just so that they get
> installed on your system to piss you off.

No. It's probably not intentional. But the effect is the same.

I used the word "Insidious" as I would have use "Stealth", because it's
happening slowly, without us noticing, that everything in Debian is
being locked with systemd. Soon, we'll have no choice.

On 06/25/2014 04:01 PM, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> We have decided to use systemd as the default.

Yes. And *only* about the default. Not that systemd should be mandatory.

> Any dependency on it cannot be 'insidious'; I also don't think that
> the maintainer of the package in question did this with intent to
> annoy people who don't like systemd.

Ditto: it probably isn't not be intentional, you are right. But the
effect is the same.

> If you don't like that depencendy, it's your job to offer a patch
> which supports an alternative to that maintainer.

It's not reasonable to tell I'm responsible for all of this.


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