Re: Alioth tracker
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> FTR I used to be an Alioth admin, so I have some experience with the
> work involved.
>
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2014, Russell Stuart wrote:
> > Sorry to be blunt Raphael, but your response looks like a series of
> > platitudes designed to settle down the politics. Alioth's maintenance
> > is in serious trouble. It is unusable to many projects on it, and it is
> > clear from it's own bug reporting systems this has been the case for
> > years.
>
> You're painting a picture which is worse than the reality. I agree
> that nobody is looking at the tickets regularly and that mails to
> admin@alioth.debian.org tends to not get an answer but there are admins
> and they are not entirely unavailable. Up to now I always managed to get
> answer to my requests even though if often requires pinging the admins
> via #alioth.
>
> > Deciding to accept an offer of help requires a lot of work. You have to
> > find a graduated set of tasks that allows you to gain confidence in the
> > persons abilities, and closely monitor how well they perform them. It
> > looks to me like the effort required is beyond the Alioth team.
>
> That's true, it's difficult to get enough confidence in someone that
> has not some history of contribution and to give them root rights.
>
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2014, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> > In this case, gradually transitioning people to admins probably won't work:
> > somebody needs to monitor the new guys+gals and give them a couple of
> > rights to start with … and then, after some time, a couple of more rights …
> > and who says that my "I want to help" request will be looked at, much less
> > my "I'm ready for more opportunities to cause untold damage, give them to
> > me" mail, next month?
> >
> > Instead, get a couple of volunteers and give them full admin rights from
> > the start. Some will blunder their way through and some will quit after a
> > week, but when the shakedown is done there's at least a chance that some of
> > them will stay with it (and not break things too badly).
>
> This happened a few times already but only with well know DD. Cyril
> Brulebois <kibi@debian.org> got root rights over night after having
> provided a few patches to multiple configuration files. I believe he
> dropped off quickly because he does many other things already but still...
> Alexander Wirt <formorer@debian.org> also joined the team not so long ago
> AFAIK.
More or less. If I am around and if things are possible without too much
insight into fusionforge I am trying to help as much as I can.
I really need some time to get more knowledge about fusionforge.
Alex
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