Re: Bug#727708: Fsck SystemD and its developers and its users. GR to override this please.
On 02/12/2014 11:01 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Again, are you the listmaster or DPL or what?
I thought you were smarter and would understand you went too far and
should stop. Though if the only way to stop your insults is to go to the
DPL or the listmaster, I believe I wont even have to do it myself (I
don't think I should anyway, since I'm involved): someone else will be
upset by your wording in a public Debian list and will report you.
> yet you claim those are insults.
You will have a hard time convincing anyone that saying that someone is
"derogative, arrogant, utterly annoying, hypocrite and dishonest" is not
insulting.
> Your problem is that you can't accept defeat.
I have *no problem* with it, or anything else. I don't think I have lost
anything, or that there's even a "defeat". The above sentence is very
silly, because it paints a very wrong picture of what happened. I
accepted OpenRC wouldn't be taken as default even before it happened. If
you think that's what I wrote, then you miss-interpreted.
>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/01/msg00340.html
What lead me to write was that:
- bdale wrote to me that he didn't evaluate OpenRC
- Russ wrote wrong statements on public list or blogs (I can't remember
which one it was, I believe it was his blog)
- Don stated he didn't spent much time with it or something similar
So, because this was a repeated pattern, I posted that message. I asked
for the TC to properly evaluate OpenRC, and explain why it wouldn't be
the choice.
I was very pleased by Ian Jackson's technical response, which helps us
for our (future) development. I don't see anything wrong in that, and I
believe what I asked for was legitimate.
> Also, please count how often you posted to debian-ctte and how
> often I posted to debian-ctte.
I tried to not post too much in this bug, and let the TC do its work. I
posted 10 messages to #727708, out of which 5 were talking about the
current status of OpenRC, which I believe was appreciated by the TC (at
least bdale seemed happy of these messages). In these messages, I wasn't
talking about anything else.
I have counted around 43 messages from Josselin Mouette, why don't you
complain about him posting too much? (note: I took Joss as a random
example, and I have no problem with him posting on the TC bug...)
Besides this, I'm the person behind the proposal of OpenRC, and there
was some direct inquiries, so I don't think 10 messages is a lot. You
can also see that Russ seemed happy about the corrections I contributed
to his statements, since he didn't evaluate OpenRC properly either (at
least at the beginning, not sure later on). Bdale also seemed pleased
with the reported status about Hurd support and so on.
Gosh, why do I even have to justify myself... This is crazy. Adrian,
look at the posts from Olav & Didier. I think they are representative of
the fact that your personal attacks toward me, leading to what I wrote
above, is of very little interest to anyone.
Yet, if you are again repeating the same pattern, your next move will
be: coming back after your insults, posting some more (why not, since
the listmasters accepted the previous ones?), then more critics of what
I do or did which will include wrong statement and reality distortion,
and then writing "hey, I already wrote that we should stop... it's not
me who don't want to stop".
That's not the way you get to a more relaxed atmosphere. Pushing me to
justify myself on my behavior isn't the way to go either. If you are
sending direct attacks publicly, don't you think it's to be expected
that I reply to public accusations?
I'm not asking you to stop discussing here, even about the init system.
I've asked you to stop your insult and direct attacks toward me in
public lists. This leads to nowhere, and annoys everyone.
Thomas
Reply to: