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Re: Should we try to draw more attention on ITAs waiting for sponsorship (with testing removal) ?



On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 13:41:16 +0000
Wookey <wookey@wookware.org> wrote:

> +++ Neil Williams [2014-01-30 13:25 +0000]:
> > On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 13:51:40 +0100
> > Olivier Berger <olivier.berger@telecom-sudparis.eu> wrote:
> > 
> > > I myself isn't very motivated to sponsor packages which I don't
> > > use... but maybe I'm not noticing at all (or didn't read
> > > how-can-i-help messages ;-).
> > 
> > That's the crux of it - a sponsor needs some level of interest in
> > the package, beyond whether it is scheduled for removal. Fly-by
> > sponsoring is not helpful, the sponsor needs to keep an eye on the
> > package - and work with the maintainer - for the long term.
> 
> In general I'd agree with that, but there are exceptions.

Defining those exceptions isn't easy.

0: It would seem to be good to allow quick sponsoring for packages with
an active maintainer but equally it is better for the maintainer to
have a regular sponsor, especially if DM is being considered.

1: stale packages could go to Orphaned - at which point it becomes
simple to do quick sponsoring as a QA upload.

2: sponsoring a new upstream is enough work that a sponsor needs some
kind of familiarity and interest in the package.

3: minimal changes may not attract interest by being too "trivial".

4: During a BSP, there should be sponsors available for any RC bug fix
but not for more intrusive changes.

5: the workload of sponsoring an RC bug fix is roughly equivalent to
verifying a patch in the BTS and doing the upload yourself.

> Yes, they should get DM status, but there will always be some
> sponsored uploads first. We probably lose (good) people when they do
> this sort of work and then just get ignored.

Quite likely, but DM status is less likely if the each sponsored upload
was done by a different sponsor.

> The problem for a maintainer with no particular interest in a package
> is determining whether the above is the case for a particular
> package/request or not.
> 
> I've sponsored a couple of things where clearly someone had done a
> reasonable job of bug-fixing/updating/backporting a poorly-maintained
> package and despite me having never heard of it or them before, doing
> an upload for them was helpful.
> 
> Clearly long-term relationships and maintainership is better, and
> uploaders remain responsible for what they upload, but getting more
> (competent) people involved and making it easy for them to get
> started, and just simply uploading stuff that needs uploading when
> bugs have been fixed, is good too.
> 
> So I disagree that 'fly-by sponsoring' is always 'not helpful'.
> Sometimes it _is_ helpful. Any tools that made it easier to judge when
> would be good. Just being on the mentors list gives a poor overview of
> how much is slipping through the net.

Personally, I'm wondering how much of what is "slipping through the
net" is actually worth worrying about. There are still quite a lot of
packages in Debian which are worth removing. e.g. I'm more tempted to
think about sponsoring fixes for packages already in Debian than
any ITA's.

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Neil Williams
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