Re: Debian/Wheezy general rant Was: mount point gets "(deleted)" / unable to unmount
hi,
2013/6/5 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de>
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> On 06/05/2013 02:39 PM, Bjoern Meier wrote:
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>> 2013/6/5 Florian Lohoff <f@zz.de <mailto:f@zz.de>>
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>> For me wheezy is the worst of all Debian release i have been
>> using since bo.
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>> /signed
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>> Just one example to add to flo's
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> Really? I think it's one of the best releases ever. Multi-Arch alone is
> worth the upgrade. And you can't blame Debian for GNOME3, this was
> a decision made upstream.
Uh uh, yeah, my users are so excited about multi-arch.
Upstream who? Who made this decision? "Debian is a free operating
system (OS) for your computer."
So gnome said Debian had to use GNOME3 for default? Interesting.
Until Wheezy I was convinced that Debian was a rock stable OS. Well,
so it is yet, because the use of GNOME3 has a stony habit.
> In fact, Debian has always been one of the distributions which tries
> to keep (bad ?) design decisions from upstream away from its users.
yes, "it has always been". As we said.
>> the upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, was not a clean one.
>> I've had to install a package (some lib-gd-annoying.deb), that wasn't
>> installed before and wasn't able to install because of some unresolved
>> debs.
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> Honestly, what do you expect. It's simply impossible to always guarantee
> a perfect upgrade from one release to another. You aren't just upgrading
> the core of the operating system, but a huge set of user applications.
Of course, you're right. If i had a "side-show" setting, I've nothing to say.
But I think Apache and PHP should have tested which a widely range of users.
I was also confused, because I could really find fast a workkaround.
So, there was no reason, that this wasn't fixed on release.
> Plus, I would have honestly appreciated that if more people (especially
> the ones who complain now) would have helped in finding and smashing
> RC bugs during the Wheezy freeze. In fact, many the RC bugs were
> related to Squeeze-to-Wheezy upgrade issues.
I've done a few. Especially on Samba, but I rembered there was a bug,
which was fixed on upstream, could be fixed in debian and was found
again on a upgrade (just in debian; not upstream).
So yeah, I've been also through some pain and don't just rant here.
Greetings,
Björn
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