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Re: Please assume good faith (was Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME)

On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 16:30 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> > Now, let me know - is this the new way of silencing critical voices?
> No.  But it is a gigantic leap forward in the culture of our community.

Well arguably, one shouldn't be too surprised if people get more and
more pissed off by GNOME _upstream_ .
They continuously try to push their agenda through and force their
blessings (most of the time broken, e.g. NM, GNOME Shell) on all users.

And since it seems to get more and more a system for the lowest end of
end-users, no longer usable by "power-users" (whatever that is),... and
since it causes quite often such troubles like this now with systemd...
people start even to think whether it should be removed from Debian. No
big surprise, I guess.

I know of my own tickets I've reported upstream and how outrageously
GNOME deals with some critical things...

Of course people should keep a respectful tone, though, and especially
correctly differentiate between GNOME upstream (causing all this mess)
and the Debian GNOME maintainers (usually having to live with it and
trying to make the best out of it).


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