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Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 12:52:47PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 11/25/2012 12:15 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> > They're constantly claiming, for example, that udev and systemd break
> > a separate /usr partition which is simply not true.
> I believe you've been reading too much L. Poettring.

And again the same idiotic and childish style of argumentation. It has
nothing to do with Poettering. Please come up with real arguments
instead of just saying systemd is broken and the author is an idiot.

> Yes, lots of
> udev stuff are moving to /usr, and this is a fact. Yes, lots of
> things are annoying in the merge for someone who wishes to use
> udev alone, and not systemd. That is a fact as well.

There is tons of stuff that you would need to fix, not just udev
stuff. See [1].

> It would help the discussion if there was nobody always claiming
> the opposite.

What? I'm not claiming the opposite, I am claiming facts. Is it false
that all these binaries mentioned in [1] are required for early boot
up and are located in /usr? Just check it yourself.

> On 11/25/2012 12:15 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> > If both Ubuntu and Gentoo would just go with the rest of the community
> > and accept systemd
> Yeah, right! Along the line with "why are these idiots so vocal". That is
> in fact one of the main concern about udev/systemd people: they don't
> care about others, refuse patches, and always claim others are stupid.
> You shouldn't go through this dangerous path as well, IMO.

Sorry, but I wouldn't touch code with a ten-feet pole who from someone
is so naive claiming that he knows more about writing an open source
BIOS than the people at Coreboot who have been doing that since
1999. I started right out laughing when he claiming Coreboot is a
Linux distribution and starting a x86 computer just involves setting
up a few interrupt vectors.

I know several people in the Coreboot project personal and the
claims that Richard makes in [2] are just ridiculous and show the same
attitude he has towards working on udev.

Even Greg is ridiculing their work [3]. And he should know, he came up
with udev in the first place and he is even a Gentoo developer. Don't
you think he understands you a little more than anyone else, so he can
assess when people do the right things with the code or not?


> [1] http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken
> [2] https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups=#!topic/linux.gentoo.dev/yWQGqxsfjI0
> [3] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.project/2226/focus=81216

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