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Re: Etch->Lenny upgrade mutes some/many old laptops.

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:14:35 +0300, Joona Kiiski wrote:

>>It should be documented: yes.
>>But what's your problem? It is the same situation as for so much other
>>hardware like WLAN, etc. And the sound card is not even essential for
>>booting or downloading additional software.
>>And no need to write a driver: it is still there.
> I think you didn't get the main point, I'm not too worried about the
> sound of my ten years old laptop, I didn't even (yet) care to test the
> fix. I'm much more worried about what things like this are going to
> cause for the overall popularity of the debian. In case you didn't know,
> 99% of western people don't know how to read kernel log or build and
> install firmware from source. They don't even know what kernel means,
> and really they shouldn't have to.
> Think for example my mother. She uses her computer for reading mail,
> writing text, watching movies, listening to music, playing small java
> games. I could install debian for her laptop and quickly teach how to do
> those things. Then after using her computer for one year, she makes
> upgrade and BANG! She can hear no more music, or she cannot use WLAN
> anymore! She goes to shop, and buys Windows Vista and gets her neighbour
> to install it for her. Typical death of linux.
> If you ******** fanatics cannot start to look things from my mother's
> point of view, debian will not ever become popular. Now I cannot
> honestly recommend debian to any of my friends, because instead of
> making hard things simple, you are making simple things harder.
> It's just totally frustrating to see that huge effort put in X (it's
> nowadays unbelievably easy to configure) is meaningless if you
> intentionally break newbie users' systems in other ways (this time by
> removing fully functional kernel firmware, next time, who knows...).
> Sorry for being rude. I'm just very angry.

At some time in the future it will hopefully be possible for udev(?) to 
get the 'missing firmware' event from the kernel; udev will be able to 
tell HAL(?) about the event, and HAL will be able to announce the missing 
firmware on the system message bus.

Then a program that runs as part of the user's desktop environment will 
be able to recieve the message and help the user locate a copy of the 
firmware, download and install it.

Maybe :)

Sam Morris
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