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Re: Debian's Linux kernel continues to regress on freedom

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On 09/12/07 09:16, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> writes:
>> On 09/12/07 05:16, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>>> Le mercredi 12 septembre 2007 à 05:04 -0500, Ron Johnson a écrit :
>>>> Which license?  I've looked a a few RFCs, and they each seem to have
>>>> a different (sometimes non-existent) license.  All, though, seem to
>>>> say, "Distribution of this memo is unlimited."
>>>> It would be useful to show John and I some specific examples of RFCs
>>>> that don't allow any reformatting or translation derivations.
>>> You've just found them. Without explicit permission, they are not
>>> permitted.
>> Really?  Not in the RFCs I've read.
> This was actually extensively discussed within the IETF and my
> understanding of their interpretation of the license is closer to what
> Josselin says, not what you're saying.  You can excerpt RFCs into other
> contexts, but you cannot modify the text or use it as the basis for some
> other document without violating the license or reaching some other
> arrangement with the IETF, and that includes translations.
>>> You can draft derived versions, but you can't distribute them until
>>> they are accepted as new RFCs.
>> Says who?  That just doesn't make sense.  RFCs are almost never
>> written by a single person.
> The IETF reserves the right to work on derivative standards based on RFCs
> to itself.  You cannot do so outside the IETF without violating the RFC
> license.

So you (or your company) must be a member of the IETF to submit a
draft RFC?  If so, it seems reasonable.

> As with the Firefox naming situation, Debian gets a ton of bad press for
> this because people seem to intuitively expect Debian to be doing
> something strange without actually investigating.  The more you
> investigate, the more you discover that, actually, the license is just
> screwed up and Debian is one of the few organizations that doesn't plug
> its ears and ignore it.

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Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

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