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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

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Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Saturday 27 May 2006 14:12, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
>> On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 01:54:03PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
>>>>> Oregon abolished the voting booth in 2000
>>>> Oh, so they get better counts and less fraud by doing away with ballot
>>>> secrecy. How wonderful.
>>> No, that's not how it works, your ballot is still secret.  Think about it
>>> for a minute.  You sign the mailing envelope, your ballot goes in a
>>> secrecy envelope.  Elections compares signatures, opens the mailing
>>> envelope and saves it for the voter rolls, sends the secrecy envelope
>>> down the line off to the counting machines to be opened separately in
>>> some other room.
>> That is secrecy only to the government; not in general. For instance,
>> someone can easily pressure you into voting for party or candidate X,
>> _since they can verify it_ (just watch as you put the ballot in the
>> envelope, and make sure you post it). With a voting booth, nobody can
>> effectively pressure you, as your vote is secret from everybody.
> Nobody can effectively pressure you, except everyone else in line, campaigners 
> trolling the polling place, and the inability to get the day off to vote 
> because polling places are only open 4-6 hours on election day.  If you want 
> to ignore that vote by mail is more secure than the voting booth, that's 
> fine.  Don't move to Oregon.

With vote-by-mail from the privacy (and seclusion) of your home,
who's to stop a political operative or angry husband from saying
"vote Democrat, or else!"?

"Campaigners trolling the polling place" is supposed to be illegal
(well, it's illegal in Louisiana), and if a campaigner *does* troll
a polling place, the election observer from the opposite party will
report it, and she/he will have many witnesses.

There are no neutral observers in your house.  The husband can watch
who she votes for and beat her, or she can withhold sex if he
doesn't vote for whom she wants.

Since the rest of the country votes in private, my wife could be
voting Marxist for all I know.
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