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Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

On 27 May 2006, Gunnar Wolf verbalised:

> Manoj Srivastava dijo [Sat, May 27, 2006 at 09:38:00AM -0500]:
>> Only if we take the word of someone who was trying to subvert the
>> keysigning to belavour the obvious that it is easy to get people to
>> sign using purchased ID's. How do you know the claim about the
>> check was not another "test" to see if he can get away with this?
>> And there are all kinds of people who just hand over an ID, no
>> questions asked, for the appropriate amount of money.
> Now, Martin has not come out in his own defense because he is
> travelling in South-Eastern Mexico, and will continue for at least
> some more days - If he _believes_ in the Transnational Republic as a
> legitimate political (although unrecognized internationally) body,
> and he shows his ID card to get the point through, as some sort of
> propaganda? If he believes the ID to be valid, would that make much
> of a difference to you?

        I see you have not actually read his blog.  Go back and get
 the context that this thread started from, before making wildly
 improbable hypotheses about potential motivations about other

> Remember that the ID is just a way to link his face to his name, not
> to put him under the umbrella of a political regime.
>> And, to the people who have trouble distinguishing between paying
>> for a passport and purchasing an ID, while I have had to pay for
>> all my official identity documents, merely paying would not have
>> got me one -- there were background checks, (Indian police in all
>> the places I had lived in, the FBI and the CIA, etc) -- and no
>> documents would have been issued if any of the checks failed.
>> One can purchase an ID merely by having the right contacts and
>> sufficient money -- which is a different kettle of fish altogether.
> Again, your experience is quite different from many other
> people's.

        What experience?

> Some have already said it's easier for them to get official IDs.

        Cute, but again, wildly irrelevant, and missing the point
 entirely.  No one is claiming anything about relative ease of getting
 official or purchased identification documents.  I am sure the
 degrees of difficulty vary with governments, and the quality of the
 "purchased" documentation, and various and sundry other factors not
 quite relevant to this discussion.

> For me, yes, some questions asked, some delays involved, but no
> detailed background checks. I'm sure neither the FBI or the CIA (or,
> as for Mexican authorities, CISEN or PGR) were involved.

        Then some government organizations do not take as stringent a
 set of precautions as others do. That, by itself, is an unsurprising

Its name is Public Opinion.  It is held in reverence.  It settles
everything. Some think it is the voice of God.  -- Mark Twain
Manoj Srivastava   <srivasta@debian.org>  <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/>
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