Re: Need for launchpad
On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 11:44:57AM +0100, Stephan Hermann wrote:
> On Sunday 08 January 2006 10:39, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 07:49:33PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> > > On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 09:02:09AM +0100, Stephan Hermann wrote:
> > > > On Sunday 08 January 2006 07:27, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 03:19:42PM -0500, Frans Jessop wrote:
> > > > > > Ubuntu's launchpad is amazing. Do you think it would be helpful if
> > > > > > all DD's worked through it on their projects? Wouldn't that keep
> > > > > > things more organized and efficient? Or perhaps Debian could build
> > > > > > its own version of launchpad which is better. Again, I think it
> > > > > > would do a good job keeping everything organized an efficient.
> > > > >
> > > > > The day when working on Debian requires the use of a web interface
> > > > > will be the day that I hunt down and painfully kill the person
> > > > > responsible for doing it.
> > > >
> > > > Luckily that the bts of Launchpad has a mailinterface..which is quite
> > > > nice. So some other parts will have mailinterfaces as well, and some
> > > > other goodies where someone can attach some nice cli tools.
> > >
> > > Which nobody except the Blessed Few (being those who have signed the NDA
> > > allowing them access to the Launchpad code) can modify or enhance.
> > And even then have uncertain chances of getting it deployed into a
> > place where it's useful, and goodness knows how practical it would be
> > to do this anyway - the backend limitations could be anything.
> Sure, but this applies to any software, actually the best example is the
I can deploy anything I like to the kernel I use. I can't (on *so* many
levels) deploy anything at all to the Launchpad I'm supposed to use.
> > > > > Removing the ability to manage things from the shell would not be
> > > > > more organised and efficient unless you're a complete fricking moron
> > > > > who can't operate a unix host. Which appears to be the target
> > > > > audience of launchpad.
> > > >
> > > > Well, I'm happy to see, that a lot of people are not thinking like you.
> > > > They see launchpad as a collaborative worktool.
> > >
> > > Your comment doesn't follow from what Andrew said.
> > Indeed, it appears to demonstrate a complete absence of having
> > understood the paragraph it is in reply to, or perhaps even having
> > read it.
> I commented this in my reply to Matthew.
No, you didn't.
> As I said, it's a matter of the working behaviour. I'm almost faster with the
> keyboard even on UIs then with the mouse or touchpad, but it doesn't mean,
> that others are fast as well.
So you're willing to hamstring yourself so that others less capable can do a
bit? How noble. And stupid.
> People who can use the CLI are blessed, but leaving the others behind? No,
> elite thinking was yesterday, today is, how we can gather more people around
> a project, to work on. the more people we can gather, the faster we will
> accomplish goals.
Let me emphasise Manoj's citation of the Mythical Man Month. He basically
calls bullshit on your entire argument, and with such style.
> Therefore, a lot of people never learned the advantages of cli, and more
> people don't want to learn them. Why? I don't know, and it doesn't matter.
> But, even those people we have to reach with an easy to use interface, and if
> this means: webapplications, so be it. It doesn't mean, that I or you have to
> use it,
But don't you have to use it if you want to get the collaboration benefits
with the teeming masses?