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Re: Need for launchpad

On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 07:49:33PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 09:02:09AM +0100, Stephan Hermann wrote:
> > On Sunday 08 January 2006 07:27, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 03:19:42PM -0500, Frans Jessop wrote:
> > > > Ubuntu's launchpad is amazing.  Do you think it would be helpful if all
> > > > DD's worked through it on their projects?  Wouldn't that keep things more
> > > > organized and efficient?  Or perhaps Debian could build its own version
> > > > of launchpad which is better.  Again, I think it would do a good job
> > > > keeping everything organized an efficient.
> > >
> > > The day when working on Debian requires the use of a web interface
> > > will be the day that I hunt down and painfully kill the person
> > > responsible for doing it.
> > 
> > Luckily that the bts of Launchpad has a mailinterface..which is quite nice.
> > So some other parts will have mailinterfaces as well, and some other goodies 
> > where someone can attach some nice cli tools.
> Which nobody except the Blessed Few (being those who have signed the NDA
> allowing them access to the Launchpad code) can modify or enhance.

And even then have uncertain chances of getting it deployed into a
place where it's useful, and goodness knows how practical it would be
to do this anyway - the backend limitations could be anything.

You can't normally design real APIs onto production software and get
anything but a mess, you have to engage in sound engineering from the

> > > Removing the ability to manage things from the shell would not be more
> > > organised and efficient unless you're a complete fricking moron who
> > > can't operate a unix host. Which appears to be the target audience of
> > > launchpad.
> > 
> > Well, I'm happy to see, that a lot of people are not thinking like you. They 
> > see launchpad as a collaborative worktool. 
> Your comment doesn't follow from what Andrew said.

Indeed, it appears to demonstrate a complete absence of having
understood the paragraph it is in reply to, or perhaps even having
read it.

> > Finally, are you not able to use lynx?
> I know your smarter than that.  Pressing the down-arrow 50 times to reach an
> action button takes a lot longer than typing a quick command to invoke that
> same action, and we both know it.

And more to the point, is almost completely immune to scripting. Which
is the ultimate problem with most of these things. I don't think
Debian would even be here today if random people couldn't throw
together stuff they wanted to see done on top of the stuff we already
have; that's how most of our current infrastructure was created.

Unix tools should do one thing well and let another tool do the next
thing. That's how we've come this far. It's also a statement of some
elementary engineering principles. It always amazes me how eager
people are to abandon these concepts in favour of some grand
integrated white elephant that's all CSS and no trousers.

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