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Re: Debian and the desktop

Daniel Burrows wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 08:25:49PM +0100, Simon Richter <Simon.Richter@hogyros.de> was heard to say:
> > >-default sound setup
> > 
> > Sound is symptomatic of a much larger class of problems, namely that 
> > there is no system service that forwards resources other than display 
> > and keyboard to the user currently logged in... [snip]
> >  What would be required is some resource 
> > forwarding framework in which a priviledged process will pass out 
> > handles to sound/usb/floppy/... [snip]
> >
> > >-default wireless setup
> > 
> > This is also related to the clash of the two approaches ("multiuser 
> > system with capable admin" versus "single-user personal system where all 
> > users need admin priviledge to associate to new APs as they roam with 
> > their laptop"). What we need is a solution that handles the in-between 
> > cases as well, and it's not Debian specific either.
>   Essentially what you are saying is that since we can't provide a 100%
> generic solution that works perfectly in every concievable situation by
> default, we shouldn't bother making the default install work better in
> any situation (even, say, one that accounts for the overwhelming majority
> of current and potential users).  This is certainly in keeping with Debian
> tradition, and it's also the reason I now hand out Ubuntu CDs instead of
> Debian ones to new users.

Which is the kind of statement that truely puzzles me, since the
permissions issues Simon was talking about[1] are some of the things that
we went ahead and fixed in the obvious quick-and-dirty make-it-work way in

This kind of disconnect between what an installed Debian system actually
does, what some developers think it does, and results like Debian
developers passing out Ubuntu CDs instead of contributing more fixes to
Debian is intensely frustrating to me.

see shy jo

[1] Which are AFAIK not the same ones that Christian was talking about,
    since Christian happens to maintain the package that fixed them!

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