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Re: C++ ABI change for etch -- freeze unstable for all C++ libs with changed or new sonames

On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 02:35:10PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> David Nusinow writes:
> > No. There are a number of people who are in charge of important technical
> > decisions who have no more association with Canonical than you or I
> > do. I'm sure if you stop ranting for a moment and think about it you can
> > name some of them yourself.
> You are assuming that everyone has been paying close attention to Ubuntu
> and it's activities.  While I have the impression that many Debian "senior
> developers" are involved with it, I can name only one who I am sure is and
> one who I am sure isn't.

Not "everyone". Just the people who fly off the handle and make fairly
mean-spirited accusations. I see some of the merit to what he's saying: 
that we shouldn't become beholden to Canonical. But claiming that the
Canonical employees are trying to destroy Debian is just being excessively
harsh. These same people are Debian Developers who care deeply about the
project, and I can imagine how they feel seeing these kinds of flames.

A constructive thread is going on elsewhere on this list for mediating the
problems between Ubuntu and Debian, and I'd rather see more of that. This
sort of thing is just the usual stuff that's harmful to the project and
hateful to its own constituents.

 - David Nusinow

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