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Re: Documentation on handling of orig.tar.gz files for Developer's Reference or for Debian Policy

On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 01:47:02PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:

> 	How about this rule of thumb: If you get stuff from the
>  primary NON DEBIAN distribution site, that is what you call
>  upstream. What someone unconnected to debian, not using debian
>  archives, downloads is what we also offer as upstream orig.tar.gz
>  files. 

I think it's more important that our users *know what they're getting*
than that we try to enforce some sort of arbitrary distinction between
"Debian" and "upstream".  Clarity is why I chose "107.0pre108" as a
version number.  I don't see how it's that much different from our
various cvs-snapshot packages, except that in my case, upstream wasn't
using any sort of version control at the time I made the package -
they just had a loose collection of patches and replacement files
available on their website.

>  Pristine upstream means pristine upstream. Either get your
>  notes added to upstream website, or put them in the diffs.

We don't require "pristine upstream".  For example, we remove non-DFSG
compliant portions.  Many licenses require that changes be
documented.  So if we modify the upstream source to remove the
non-DFSG portions, and _don't document that_ (because of a new policy
rule that forbids any debian-authored portions of _orig tarballs),
then we may be violating licenses.

>  Do not prevaricate to our suers by pretending that some material is
>  the same as they can get upstream, when it is not.

I don't think I am - I think it's quite clear that 107.0pre108 is
quite different from 107.

> >        Anyway, I was upstream project leader for most of the
> > last year, up until about a week ago, when I stepped down in favor
> > of someone more enthusiastic.  But I'm still an upstream developer.

> 	That is quite irrelevant.

Actually, I agree.  I think the fact that I can solve "the problem" by
sticking the tarball I made on the upstream website at any moment I
choose is, or should be, irrelevant.  I think the tarball I created
should be acceptable in any case.  I think it's quite clear what I
created, and I don't think there's any intent to confuse our users,
and I think that should be sufficient.

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